r/law • u/INCoctopus Competent Contributor • 19h ago
Court Decision/Filing ‘This unlawful impost must fall’: Conservative group sues Trump claiming tariffs are ‘unconstitutional exercise of legislative power’
https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/this-unlawful-impost-must-fall-conservative-group-sues-trump-claiming-tariffs-are-unconstitutional-exercise-of-legislative-power/4.9k
u/Jonestown_Juice 19h ago
Now that it's messing with their money suddenly the conservatives are concerned with the law.
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u/WitchKingofBangmar 19h ago
That is truly the ONLY thing they care about.
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u/Kamishini_No_Yari_ 18h ago
That and lowering the age of consent
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u/Howhighwefly 17h ago
Age of consent and child labor
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u/By_and_by_and_by 17h ago
Working labor, or birthing labor? Oh right...both.
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u/Musetrigger 16h ago
And making it easier for rapists to walk free.
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u/AlarisMystique 14h ago
They would pay rapists if they could. Or make them president.
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u/JayMeadows 14h ago
Well, boy howdy. Do I got news for you...
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u/Rosegold-Lavendar 13h ago
Trump will just hand out pardons to them all. His people aren't bad people ya know it's just that woke mind parasite that tells us the rapist is bad b
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u/Raveen92 11h ago
R*pists if caught serve less time in jail than an abortion on Texas.
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u/JamMydar 14h ago
Don’t you know that a woman’s body has systems to shut down conception if it’s a rape? ~ a Republitard politician
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u/Amarillopenguin 15h ago
They want their child wife / child husband slaves to work the fields while they read the Trump bible and eat lard.
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u/Portarossa 17h ago
They took one look at Jodie Foster in Taxi Driver and decided to split the difference.
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u/FlattopJr 15h ago
Jodie Foster in Taxi Driver inspired a mentally disturbed guy to shoot the then-president, just sayin'.
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u/tokengaymusiccritic 14h ago
Well the point of the child labor is to improve their dollars so that kinda circles back to the first point
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u/Thatfoxagain 13h ago
With how many minors Matt Gatez has paid he’s basically a small business owner
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u/Altruistic-Cat-7531 17h ago
But I was told that the Dems were the groomers.
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u/clandestineactivitiy 15h ago
Every accusation is a confession with these nut jobs. They literally use a Nazi tactic called accusation in a mirror the more people are aware of the tactics they use the better.
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u/MWH1980 17h ago
Well, it is a Capitalist society.
Nothing ever seems to get done unless it affects money. Human decency and well-being is further down the ladder.
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u/melita3953 17h ago
Are they even on the ladder??
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u/giantrons 17h ago
There’s a ladder?!?
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u/Minion_of_Cthulhu 17h ago
Only if you can afford to buy your own. I hear inheriting the family ladder also works and can get you quite far in life.
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u/IncorruptibleChillie 15h ago
They would happily see the work burn if they made money on it. They only care about the world burning because they are losing money on it. For conservatives, avarice is God. They murdered their Christian God for profit and now that it finally comes to bite them they care about the consequences.
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u/UninvitedButtNoises 19h ago
I'll take it. IMPEACH!!
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u/wallstreet-butts 19h ago
It would be hilarious if crashing the economy, and not all the actual criming, is what did it
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u/BossParticular3383 18h ago
Crashing the economy is part of the criming. These tariffs are a SHAKEDOWN. His crypto coin is the way he launders the bribes. Watch - when countries and businesses start to "play ball", you will see him inexplicably ease some of the tariffs.
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u/keelhaulrose 18h ago
His problem is he made enemies of everyone and the incentive at the moment, at least for the countries, is to take their leverage to a more stable trade partner. No point in bribing the guy when China/Canada/etc are willing to play ball without the games.
Trump is running this country like he ran his business. He's used to getting contractors to cave to his demands because he's usually the bigger fish. He didn't realize that if he tried it on a global scale "forming a school that doesn't involve that bully fish" is an option.
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u/BossParticular3383 17h ago
I agree! Ultimately his shakedown will fail, and the country will suffer terribly. The only upside to this shit show is that the crashing and burning is happening lightning fast, so MAYBE his total downfall will come fairly quickly. We just need to keep speaking up, watch our pennies, and help one another.
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u/ThrOE_away_42069 15h ago
hi! fun sponge here; this is all going according to the 4th pillar of project 2025.
whatever you do, don't take the bait. they want a reason to suspend habeus corpus by July 19th. Military in the streets, and a king forever.
Here's how they'll light the match. This part is the setup for the knock out punch: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/03/what-could-possibly-go-wrong-doge-to-rapidly-rebuild-social-security-codebase/
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u/TransmogriFi 14h ago
I worked at the primary distribution warehouse for a well known sporting goods and footware retailer several years ago, and they went through a major change with their inventory tracking system. A switch-over that took months to prepare for, a week to implement while the warehouse was shut down, and most of a year to get all of the glitches and bugs worked out. That was one warehouse, and no one's life would be upturned by a few missing pairs of shoes. Having gone through that mess, I'm dreading the potential havoc trying to migrate Social Security to a new platform is going to cause. People living from one Social Security check to the next can't afford to miss a single payment. Overdraft and late fees could drop people into financial holes they can never climb out of.
Debt, homelessness, and starvation of our oldest and most vulnerable will be the result.
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u/sly-3 16h ago
If you haven't noticed, there's no shortage of sleaze that gravitates to his orbit. I would argue that the Republican Party has fostered this approach to their operations for at least the last 70 years.
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u/Quetiapine400mg 16h ago
Also, how long until the next shakedown? Everyone knows how that shit goes.
These countries already thought we were friends, or at least part of a mutually benefit agreement. We've squandered that for nothing.
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u/Hefty_Development813 18h ago
Exactly, mafia racketeering from the white house, wtf
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u/BossParticular3383 18h ago
Great idea for an SNL skit!
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u/Which_Engineer1805 16h ago
Robert Deniro fucking hates Trump. I’d love for SNL to write him into a gangster themed skit.
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u/sly-3 16h ago
He's also playing chicken with Powell; seeing action there would get these Cons back on board.
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u/aiboaibo1 15h ago
Maybe some foreign heads of state should offer to buy trumpcoin for lower tariffs. Bet he would be stupid enough to bite.
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u/Urabraska- 19h ago
Rule #1. Don't F with the money.
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u/UninvitedButtNoises 18h ago
No.
Rule # 1, you don't fuck wit da Jesus, mayn. (Lebowski)
Then Rule # 2, the money thing you said.
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u/NoDragonfruit6125 17h ago
Nah Jesus is to woke for MAGA haven't you heard of the congregation complaining about the priest spouting woke nonsense when he was quoting Jesus.
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u/UninvitedButtNoises 17h ago
I applaud the effort but I'm atheist. I was making a movie quote reference from The Big Lebowski
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u/mrs_fartbar 16h ago
Are these the nazis, Walter?
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u/tresben 18h ago
It would be amazing if the only thing that saves us from a complete fascist and authoritarian takeover of the US is the stupidest own goal in history with these tariffs. Like there was no need, he could’ve slapped a couple small tariffs, continued to ride the good economy, and claimed it was all thanks to his tariffs, allowing him to continue his inhumane civil rights violations and takeover of government. The fact that this unnecessary move that will likely crash the economy is the thing that might prevent them from achieving their goals is incredibly ironic. But also consistent with trump and his stupidity throughout the years. He can’t get out of his own damn way
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u/tenth 17h ago
Because he WANTS to crash the economy
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u/NiceRat123 16h ago
Agreed....
I can see TWO valid reasons
We get a depression and people get pissed off and revolt. He can enact the Insurrection Act and declare martial law
People lose their jobs and have to take any job for pennies on the dollar because the rich have sucked up all the stocks and wealth
Right now crashing the economy is starting to hit the rich in the pocketbook so they aren't too happy
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u/admiralhipper 16h ago
Same fucking thing happened in Russia and we saw how spineless the billionaires there were. Same thing will happen here: nothing.
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u/Clear-Hand3945 13h ago
In a real revolution where everyone has already lost their money Trump ends up losing. Declaring martial law means nothing when 100 million + people are coming for you.
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u/TurkeyThaHornet 16h ago
It's probably his complete misunderstanding of how tariffs work and his refusal to learn anything about them that would challenge his existing views.
Malignant narcissist meets Dunning Krueger.
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u/Sinphony_of_the_nite 18h ago
This would seem consistent with people in power that have no morals, so more sad than hilarious.
But I’d still laugh about it.
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u/RogueishSquirrel 17h ago
Wouldn't be the first time money woes caught a crook, Al Capone wasn't caught for racketeering/smuggling bathtub hooch, he was arrested for tax evasion and eventually died of syphilis.
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u/Rhielml 19h ago
To what end? So we can see he's been impeached 3 times instead of 2? He'll never get convicted in the Senate, so what's the point?
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u/BossParticular3383 18h ago
Well, we're not even 100 days in, and the senate already passed a resolution removing the emergency powers that allowed him to tariff Canada ... That took 4 (or was it 5?) republican defections.... lets hope courage is contagious.
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u/Individual-Bad-23 18h ago
4, and despite them normally being horrid human beings we need to praise the fact they stood up. People are allowed to change and realize they made mistakes.
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u/BossParticular3383 18h ago
I'm really hoping this trend is contagious. It's so aggravating to know that setting these tariffs is NOT a constitutionally mandated executive power, and that congress can stop it.
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u/Individual-Bad-23 18h ago
Me too. But I will not hold my breath nor will I stake my family's future on it. As I learned early in life, hope for the best but prepare for the worst.
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u/Feisty_Boat_6133 17h ago
I agree but with a big caveat. Lisa murkowski and Susan Collins love to do these votes that won’t end up actually stopping the conservative agenda (since it won’t pass the house), so they can claim they are moderate. When the rubber hits the road and republicans need their votes to further their agenda, they vote along their party line after a lot of hand wringing and “concerns”, which gives people hope that they will actually be “moderates.” Obviously if that changes, then I will give them credit where credit is due. But this is kind of their playbook historically.
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u/zdelusion 15h ago
They also love their jobs, Maine is going to get absolutely ass blasted by Canadian tourism boycotts this summer, she's up for re-election next year. And I doubt Alaska will fare much better. They also have a senate election next year. In fact there are a ton of Republicans up for re-election next year, many in states that are pretty tight like NC/MI/GA. If they're not careful the Dems could end up with a senate majority and a house majority and absolutely destroy the Trump agenda. 60% veto proof majorities that could impeach Trump aren't off the table if they take us into a full on depression.
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u/ThrowAwayGarbage82 17h ago
One of them is mitch the glitch. He doesnt have to worry about re election so that's why he's doing this.
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u/Individual-Bad-23 17h ago
Sure. I never said they were not horrible. I just said that when someone does the right thing it is good to give them a shout out. Do I wish he would have started doing the right thing 10 years ago, yes I do. But better late then never. Even if this doesn't pass the house it pushes a fracture into Mango Mussolini's control of the party. A fracture that we the people can exploit to push more defection and start to get actual change started.
You don't change something like this in a day, it will take years of effort talking to actual people to bring about change. For to long we have sat idly by letting things happen. We need to change this. It is why I support the 50501 protests, I would join but I find out about the dates and events after I have planned things that I have to do to take care of my family. Or in the case of the last two my wife and I were sick.
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u/Comfortable_Volume_3 16h ago
the fact Grassley stepped up is the big news here. yes he's over 90, but that was telling for those who follow his decisions. We might be nearing the line that republicans are forced to step in and stop this insanity. I don't believe many of them actually thought he would do this. Now that he has, and a single moron made the world burn in 2 days, I have to believe they will step in to stop this soon.
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u/ThrowAwayGarbage82 16h ago
Well, if we have to wait one more week, the markets will be nearing zero and the dollar will lose all value.
Go take a look at the stock market. It's in freefall.
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u/postwarapartment 16h ago
Yes, praise the ACTION. It doesn't matter what any of them say. If they're putting their votes where their mouth is, that's what matters. The rest can be dealt with later.
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u/Ortsarecool 17h ago
Except it will be a miracle if it even hits the house floor. And even then it's dead on arrival. The house Republicans are totally lost in the sauce.
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u/BossParticular3383 16h ago
Yes, they are, at this time. And there's very little chance the canada resolution will make it to the floor. But Kaine is introducing another one next week. And opposition is building. Important for all our reps to know how we feel
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u/Danger2Night 18h ago
Less courage and more greed but in this case the greed might save us if they begin to go against him to save their own stacks of cash.
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u/Miserable-Army3679 17h ago
That's how I view pharmaceutical companies. The one good thing about their greed is that they just might develop a cure for cancer, to make a gazillion dollars of course.
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u/Rhielml 18h ago
Conviction of an impeachment in the Senate requires a 2/3rds majority.
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u/BossParticular3383 17h ago
Yes it does. At the very least, Impeachment proceedings in the house will SLOW him down and weaken him. Now, by the time this happens, it will be 2027, after dems retake house majority in the mid terms. God Only Knows what kind of shape the country will be in by then - senate republicans could be clamoring to impeach the sonofabitch.
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u/Rhielml 17h ago
I hope you're right. But I'm not confident we'll have free and fair elections at the mid terms.
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u/BossParticular3383 17h ago
I'm not confident of anything, except that we put one foot in front of the other, and keep on speaking out, helping one another, and DO NOT STAY HOME in 2026. The results in Wisconsin and the massive drop in support in those 2 florida races made me think maybe they haven't quite got the whole "election rigging" thing down ....
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u/UninvitedButtNoises 18h ago
I'm hoping they'll shock us in a good way for once. They all need to know if they continue down this path, claiming to have "just following orders" will work the same way it did with the Nazis.
It's one thing to piss and shit in your own swimming pool - these assholes are dumping shit tsunamis on the planet.
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u/angusalba 18h ago
That gives us Vance and the nut squad cabinet…..
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u/UninvitedButtNoises 18h ago
I'll still take it. I don't know a whole lot of politicians that respect him in any way whatsoever. I bet they'd be a lot more willing to stall an agenda from the couch fucker.
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u/ButterThyme2241 19h ago
Don’t worry they are spineless and will fall behind their boy king
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u/AnotherDoubtfulGuest 17h ago
The why doesn’t matter here as much as the what. The fact that this group filed the lawsuit at all and some congressional Republicans are starting to buck him means that chinks are starting to appear in the MAGA armor. And the conservative subs are no longer in lockstep; I’m actually grateful that this tariff rollout was a ham-handed clusterfuck.
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u/IKnowGuacIsExtraLady 16h ago
Yeah I was actually disappointed when he flip flopped previously. This may be the only way to save America because people need to be personally hurt before they will buck republicans and everyone is going to get hurt here.
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u/neopod9000 18h ago
It's funny though that they were all 100% ready to suck his chode dry until the thing he absolutely promised he would do, happened.
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u/SparksAndSpyro 18h ago
He ran on tariffs. They voted for him. They voted for tariffs. I know this isn’t how it works, but I wish the court could throw their suit out for standing or waiver or something lol. Nothing pisses me off more than hypocrites.
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u/sly-3 16h ago
Isn't the definition of irony = "when you get exactly what you want and it sucks"?
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u/TinFoilBeanieTech 15h ago
"We know everything he said was stupid, but we didn't actually expect him to act stupid!"
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u/Medic1642 14h ago
Remember whem they thought he would become more "presidential" back in, like, 2017, and it never fucking happened?
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u/DerVapors 18h ago
Truly, money talks, and once the rich start feeling it too something will have to change, or they really will be dealing with situation of scorned Americans who aren’t going to be able to trust the Republican Party for a loooong time
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u/Sinnycalguy 17h ago
I’m at the point where I don’t want the courts or anyone to stop this stuff. He needs to be allowed to crash and burn in spectacular, undeniable fashion. There has to be something capable of breaking the spell he has over his cult, and no amount of wonton cruelty to migrants is going to do it.
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u/IKnowGuacIsExtraLady 16h ago
I actually think if this stuff stays in place for one month that Trump will actually get impeached and removed. Maybe not right away, but one month will be enough for people to feel it and get angry to the point where republicans have no choice but to ditch him.
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u/Cheech47 13h ago
People will feel it, and people will get angry...at whomever Republicans tell them to get angry at. That's the whole ethos of a cult, you surrender critical thinking skills to the leadership caste.
I've been following politics long enough to discern that this is what Republicans really always were, it was just uncouth and/or politically damaging to "say the racist/weird/hate thing" out loud. Newt Gingrich was that guy. Trent Lott was that guy. Tom DeLay was that guy. Chuck Grassley is that guy. Darrell Issa. Jim DeMint. I can go on.
The thing that really bakes my noodle is that I have no idea how you effectively govern in an environment like this, where half the house (if they are in the minority) just reflexively say no to everything yet cry foul when they're not "included" (see ACA), or when they are in the majority just throw bombs all over everything and leave the inevitable mess for Democrats to clean up later when the economy invariably craters.
This brings me to Democrats. The current incarnation of Democrats is the party of "status quo", which is why they lose so goddamn always. Problem is, Dem leadership is so utterly entrenched they lost the plot a LONG time ago, and are so concerned about peoples's "turns" that they are failing to read the room and hand the reins over to new ideas and fresh perspectives. (see Connolly over AOC for Oversight committee, orchestrated explicitly by Pelosi, and Schumer's failure to basically do anything at all)
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u/jlusedude 16h ago
They are so mad that their unitary executive theory is coming back to bite them.
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u/Notherereallyhere 16h ago
U.S.: People of all parties are encouraged to contact their Representatives and express their opinions at: U.S. Capitol Switchboard (202) 224-3121
You may also contact the White House at: https://www.usa.gov/agencies/white-house
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u/BravoWasBetter 13h ago
Don't mistake them caring about Trump affecting their pocket book for them caring about the law. This group, and the rest of their ilk, are more than prepared to allow Trump to trample on anyone else. They just don't like being the victim. They are special.
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u/Murky-General 17h ago
Right? Of all the EOs he's done, this is the one they complain about. Tells you all about their priorities, doesn't it?
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u/Toughbiscuit 15h ago
This is literally what he said he would do
This is literally what every expert said would happen in response
Why are they suddenly surprised now and suing.
Stupid.
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u/AngryTomJoad 13h ago
or Congress could do it's fucking job and stop the madman
but that would take a fucking spine
i hate hate hate maga and their fucking cult leader
fuck trump
fuck musk
fuck putin
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u/Pooter_Birdman 12h ago
Hey I dont care what side you are on long as you are suing him over unlawful practices.
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u/EnslavedBandicoot 19h ago
Oh NOW they want to reign him in, when THEY start losing money. Gotcha. Conservatives are fucking snakes.
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u/No-Edge-8600 18h ago
My dark theory: Trump gets removed; Then gets replaced with the actual Russian spy.
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u/cap_oupascap 17h ago
Vance seems more like Peter Thiel’s puppet than a Russian one
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u/myburdentobear 17h ago
I've wondered if there would be a point where the clash of interests among the Christian Nationalists, the tech bros, and the Russians all come to a head and we see them all eat each other.
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u/Kreegs 14h ago
Vance doesn't have the charisma to keep all those different groups together. Trump does.
So if Trump goes, the infighting will be start immediately as each of those groups fight for control.
With any luck, they don't get their shit together, nothing more bad happens and the House & Senate flip in 2 years (that last part is wishful thinking).
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u/Greenmanssky 10h ago
Thats what I dont understand; Trump has all the charisma of a moldy cum sandwich and is half as desirable in any given room.
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u/melophat 10h ago
His bread and butter are people who think that being racist, sexist, and a bully are admirable traits. They like that he doubles down and never admits faults. That's what they see as charisma because he makes them feel like it's ok to be assholes
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u/im_a_mighty_pirate 15h ago
They're all taking the same steps but expecting different outcomes. Who will be right?
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u/PensiveinNJ 14h ago
This is what I've been wondering. The Technolibertarians and Christian Nationalists are extremely awkward bedfellows, then you throw in the Russian influence and who knows what kind of weirdness might emerge.
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u/theWaywardSun 13h ago edited 12h ago
The other problem is that they all have room temperature IQ.
Christian Nationalists chose Dump to set up their Ethnostate but he's too stupid to not shit his pants and fumble an economy. This was the time to make this change riding off Democrat success but dumbass couldn't follow through.
The Technobros aren't charismatic enough besides the smooth brain Elon Musk.
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u/PensiveinNJ 13h ago
The technobros want very different things than the Christian Nationalists. In many ways this kind of isolationist moment is exactly what a libertarian would want, and Peter Thiel is nothing if not a libertarian or perhaps more accurately a monarchist. Peter Thiel doesn't care about money the way many people care about money, he wants to be godking of his little technofeudal kingdom and if he has to destroy the country to get it, well that's just effective accelerationism baby.
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u/WillBottomForBanana 15h ago
It sounds good (or, as good as anything we can expect). But it's that whole "when giants fight it's the small who get trampled" thing.
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u/Dracomortua 15h ago
No idea what is real or not at this point?
If this is a movie, please let me know. Heck, put Rachel Zegler in there, controversially kicking some MickeyMouse & incel ass.
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u/likebuttuhbaby 15h ago
I’ve been wondering about this a lot lately, since it seems like the actual laws of this country won’t step up in any meaningful way. Does the Heritage Foundation really want to let go of any of their American Taliban regime to the tech bros who want something very different?
I don’t really factor Russia into that because all they want is Americas destruction. Doesn’t seem like they actually want to rule the country…yet. Those other two groups want to be our kings.
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u/daedal81 17h ago
I've always assumed that Vance was a closeted gay man with his buddy buddy relationship with Thiel.
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u/Hayterfan 16h ago
I'm fairly confident he is. Vance strikes me the same way a closeted preacher/ pastor does.
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u/calle04x 13h ago
That's exactly the vibe he gives. I've known enough of them growing up in the south to know.
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u/Gentrified_potato02 14h ago
His eyeliner says it all. He’s already gone for the wingtip. He’s about six months away from going full smoky eyes.
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u/UnquestionabIe 15h ago
I've always just thought his sexuality is flexible depending on what he's offered. He most certainly spent some wild nights with Thiel after he was "discovered" during his college days. He's definitely given that wrinkled pickle some thrills.
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u/toodlelux 15h ago
That signal chat showed us that Vance is also as much of a bumbling dumbass privately as he is on camera.
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u/SDcowboy82 15h ago
Trump is the actual Russian spy
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u/IKetoth 11h ago
Yeah the only way it could get any more obvious is if he changed his name to Sergej Trumpinov, how are people STILL not convinced after he taxed the entirety of planet earth EXCEPT Russia. There's uninhabited islands and random territories of other countries in his fucking list but not the US's greatest historical enemy.
You couldn't make it more on the nose if you were actively trying to.
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u/falcrist2 15h ago
At this point I have to ask... how would that be any different?
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u/bobbymcpresscot 16h ago
his friends are already cashed out and waiting for the reverse tariff announcement to buy up everything at a discount.
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u/MadeByTango 15h ago
They’re not snakes; they ip let tell you all the time they’re voting and legislating for their own interests. Capitalism is defined as “find a resource and capitalize on it by exploring the need or desire of others for it.” And government services solve needs instead of charging for them. They hate that.
Anytime to government interferes with their money, they hate it. They’re extremely consistent.
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u/jpmeyer12751 19h ago
This suit is a good start, but it is filed in an odd venue in the 11th Circuit, the standing of its plaintiff is a bit obscure and it focuses too much on tariffs against goods from China. The extremely broad scope of Trump's tariffs and the very high rates raise very strong parallels to the rationale applied by the Supreme Court in ruling that Biden's student debt relief was not authorized by Congress. The plaintiffs in this case either disagree with that or missed the point.
I hope that several states will file a complaint against the administration that has a chance of being more effective than this one.
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u/spice_weasel 17h ago
Don’t be silly. This is clearly out of scope of the major questions doctine as elucidated by the Supreme Court. The major questions doctrine plainly states that it only applies to initiatives by a Democratic president which are not popular with Republicans.
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u/mattvandyk 15h ago
But we do have our faithful friends history and tradition in this one, so who knows what they might do!
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u/kandoras 16h ago
he extremely broad scope of Trump's tariffs and the very high rates raise very strong parallels to the rationale applied by the Supreme Court in ruling that Biden's student debt relief was not authorized by Congress. The plaintiffs in this case either disagree with that or missed the point.
Or they realize that "But you said this was bad when Biden did it" would get met with by laughter for at least five of the Supreme Court justices.
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u/BlockAffectionate413 19h ago
Honestly given how sweeping IEEPA is, it would be kind of reach to argue that does not give power over tariffs in delegation when it was used for that many times in past, unlike student debt forgiveness or West Virginia v. EPA case, where point was how it was never used for that purpose in the past. What might have better chance working is non delegation doctrine argument, but I am not sure if Dems want that, it could raise issues for regulatory agencies in general, including Fed. Fact that SCOTUS seems likely to uphold Congress giving power to FCC to put taxes as big as needed to provide everyone with internet is a good thing( With Barrett and Kavanaugh, maybe even Alito joining liberal Justices) , because if they struck it down, it would have negative consequences for various regulatory agencies.
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u/jpmeyer12751 19h ago
According to the complaint in this case, IEEPA has never been used by a President to impose tariffs:
"President Trump is attempting to bypass these constraints by invoking
the IEEPA. But in the IEEPA’s almost 50-year history, no previous president has
used it to impose tariffs. Which is not surprising, since the statute does not even
mention tariffs, nor does it say anything else suggesting it authorizes presidents to
tax American citizens.
4. IEEPA does authorize asset freezes, trade embargoes, and similar
economic sanctions. Presidents have used the IEEPA to target dangerous foreign
actors—primarily terrorist organizations and hostile countries such as Iran, Russia,
and North Korea. Congress passed the IEEPA to counter external emergencies, not
to grant presidents a blank check to write domestic economic policy.
I haven't done the research myself, but I would find it surprising if this complaint has such a glaring error as you suggest.
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u/kandoras 16h ago
They could make a pretty good point that the tariffs, since they're applied to nearly every country on earth, including a couple places people don't even live, don't qualify as something that would be related to any kind of emergency.
If the tariffs are supposed to be about stopping drug smuggling or an invasion by South American gangs or any of the other things conservatives keep complaining about, then how is taxing the non-existent imports from a bunch of penguins supposed to fix that emergency?
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u/ohiotechie 19h ago
Dr. Frankenstein takes monster he created to court over smashed property and loss of income.
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u/doyletyree 18h ago
Further damages include “rowdy mob activity” where pitchforks and torches are a separate insurance policy.
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u/jpmeyer12751 18h ago
Perhaps Sec'y Rubio will chime in about "raising a ruckus" and start deporting people!
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u/let-it-rain-sunshine 17h ago
The sue the bull that they let in our china shop, after smashing crystal vases to pieces.
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u/Several_Leather_9500 19h ago
Tomorrow is the biggest day (thus far) for protests - every state and a few countries across the pond have joined in. Please see r/50501 for details.
If we all don't get involved soon, we will lose our country to maga. Please fight back - PEACEFULLY - of course.
If you plan to attend, please read up on safety measures: https://www.hrc.org/resources/tips-for-preparedness-peaceful-protesting-and-safety
If you can't, continue to flood your reps phones using www.5calls.org
We'll see you tomorrow!
Hands Off Protests: https://www.axios.com/2025/04/03/hands-off-protest-trump-musk-april-5
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u/dungerknot 14h ago
I have never gone to a protest and I hate crowds but I might go
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u/Kimber85 13h ago
Also never gone to a protest and I was planning on attending this one but my shitty immune system got in the way. Woke up with a fever of 102° this morning and I feel like absolute shit.
Go on my behalf, please!
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u/HauntedMaple 8h ago
I am a first class introvert, bordering on recluse. The first 50501 protest was the first time I stood up politically in anyway (outside of voting a few times). It was snowing so hard there were white-outs and the windchill was -40. It was one of the most uplifting experiences I have had in my 45yrs. Please go. You won't regret it.
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u/MoneyManx10 14h ago
We can start peacefully, but I’m not sure that will be enough to take our country back. The main thing is we need huge crowds out on Saturday. The whole country is talking about it and there’s no better time to make our voice heard.
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u/Edie_T 11h ago
Flew in from the left coast today to show up in DC. I believe in this.
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u/kandoras 16h ago
“But his China Executive Orders show no connection between the opioid problem and the tariff he ordered — much less that the tariff is ‘necessary’ to resolve that problem,” the complaint states.
Look New Civil Liberties Alliance, if you can't clearly and immediately see how a 10% tariff will keep a bunch of penguins from some tiny island in the Antarctic Ocean from smuggling fentanyl into the US, then I don't know what to tell you.
Other than you're probably too intelligent to still qualify as "conservative".
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u/Nimbokwezer 18h ago
If there's one thing conservatives won't stand for, it's an unlawful impost.
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u/RustedRelics 10h ago
I wonder how this organization voiced its deep concerns about Project 2025 before the election. Oh wait….
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u/Webhoard 14h ago
Let's be clear. You've raised an attack dog. It's doing what attack dogs do.
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u/Astramancer_ 14h ago
They didn't raise an attack dog. They just kept rewarding the dog for being aggressive and stupid and are now surprised that it's being aggressive and stupid.
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u/The84thWolf 11h ago
Think of how much better EVERYONE would be if they didn’t entertain Trump’s every fucking whim?
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u/thisguytruth 14h ago
where were they in 2016?
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u/FoxUniNov 14h ago
The New Civil Liberties Alliance was founded in 2017.
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u/thisguytruth 14h ago
right but i'm saying trump instituted tariffs during his first term as well, 2017-2021.
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u/2ndtryagain 11h ago
However, the NCLA asserts that the emergency statute does not allow the president to usurp the legislative branch’s control of the country’s purse strings through the unilateral imposition of tariffs.
I wonder what their position is on the Whitehouse via DOGE illegally shutting down Congressionally funded agencies are? This Whitehouse completely ignores the Constitution.
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u/ThrowAwayGarbage82 17h ago
At this rate, inside a week, markets will be nearing zero and the dollar will be worth nothing. I'm buying survival supplies for myself and my family and have teamed up with neighbors to supply-share and keep each other safe. One is a vet with 3 tours under his belt and has offered to train us in how to survive if the shit hits the fan. But i'm still terrified and just want to sob my eyes out. All the enablers in congress need to go too because they're violating their oaths and have betrayed their nation.
We have a long and VERY dark road ahead.
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u/MadDingersYo 12h ago
It's going to be bad and it's going to be bad for a long time but I promise you the market won't hit zero within a week. The dollar will still hold value by next weekend. Less value, sure, but not no value.
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u/thenewyorkgod 14h ago
Could this be what actually gets congress to impeach and remove him?
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