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u/malybongo 13h ago
There’s a documentary about it on Netflix (if it’s still available) called “Long Shot”, it’s well worth a watch.
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u/botella36 12h ago
I just checked, and it is available.
Being accused and convinced of a crime that we did not commit could happen to any of us.
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u/BlahMan06 12h ago
Can't be falsely accused of a crime if you do all the crimes
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u/Damn_DirtyApe 9h ago
This guy crimes
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u/kindquail502 9h ago
He's from Crimea.
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u/The-UnknownSoldier 9h ago
Putin coming
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u/dandee93 8h ago
Why do you think he went?
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u/Stormagedd0nDarkLord 10h ago
Nowadays might even get a one-way trip to El Salvador with no way back even after they realise they made a mistake.
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u/Local-Caterpillar421 8h ago
Isn't that the saddest thing ever for that fella, truly? 😢😢😢
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u/LaurenMille 6h ago
And there's no way he's the only innocent one they've shipped to that torture-camp.
After all, without due process there's no way to check if anyone they sent was even guilty of anything.
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u/moak0 6h ago
And that's still using an extremely, extremely narrow definition of "innocent" that doesn't account for the fact that merely existing in the "wrong" country shouldn't be a crime in the first place.
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u/ThriceDamnedMiller 6h ago
Well, the USA could just ask for him back, but the Trump administration is not doing that, and is arguing in court that they can’t be forced to do anything to bring an innocent man home.
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u/m8remotion 5h ago
Because those morons can never show they are wrong.
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u/DisposableSaviour 2h ago
Being wrong is showing weakness, and at its heart, fascism is based on appearance, more specifically, the appearance of strength. That’s why throwing bricks at people waving nazi flags may be cathartic, and just helping the bricks in search of their natural prey, but showering them with bright paint, particularly “weak/girly” colors like pink and purple can be more effective. Also good is an airzooka and a can of fart spray.
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u/SookHe 8h ago
Nowadays, for people like Juan, all it takes is an accusation without evidence to be deported to slave labour camps in El Salvador
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u/Oblivionpelt 9h ago
That's why it's important to protect convicts rights, and to prevent the death penalty from being implemented -- if you let prisoners be treated as sub-human, then our broken justice system could very easily be used by those in control to do away with people.
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u/athenanon 7h ago
It's bonkers to me that people don't get this.
Do sadistic killers deserve to die? Yeah. I won't argue against that.
But is any human system perfect enough to (1) get the right person and (2) facilitate their death? Hell no.
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u/UpvoteForGlory 4h ago
Do sadistic killers deserve to die? Yeah. I won't argue against that.
I disagree actually. I think a sadistic killer deserve a long and miserable life way before a quick death. I would much rather die then spend the rest of my days in a prison cell.
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u/ASpaceOstrich 3h ago
The 15% false conviction rate is the end of discussion point for it. There are loads of other arguments but they're all unnecessary because there's a 15% false conviction rate.
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u/sonofaresiii 6h ago
I mean, personally I think we should also protect convicts' rights just... because we should. They deserve rights, even if they're criminals.
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u/Abeytuhanu 5h ago
It is better for people to do the right thing for the right reason, but it is even more important that they do the right thing for any reason
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u/mata_dan 5h ago
The death penalty also costs multiple millions in tax payer money for each case attempted and all the appeals and the actual niche process of carrying it out in a specialised expensive system.
It's far far far cheaper to imprison people for life.
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u/CautionarySnail 10h ago
Even with due process, it is difficult.
Without due process - which is being stripped from us in these ICE raids - it is impossible.
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u/troycerapops 11h ago
Much more likely now.
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u/littlebeach5555 10h ago
My son did 8.5 years for a petty theft turned Robbery 1 because the cops/DA lied. It can definitely happen.
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u/toooomanypuppies 10h ago
I hope he got a MASSIVE payout
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u/littlebeach5555 10h ago
Nope. He doesn’t want to sue. They tried to pin more charges on him, so he moved cross country.
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u/toooomanypuppies 9h ago
that's utterly sucks mate, sorry for you and your kid like. DA lying should be enough to get the fucks locked up themselves.
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u/littlebeach5555 9h ago
Thanks. When I told them I was getting a lawyer, they said “we got him a real lawyer!” It was the prosecutor that represented him.
This DA has been in trouble recently; so I’m going to call the innocence project. But my son was basically followed by feds, drones, etc till he left Maui.
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u/nagash321 8h ago
What's upsetting is that I don't blame him for not wanting to use cuz the chance of winning against them is slim and even then what u win would probably be less than what u pay for the lawyers and all that
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u/littlebeach5555 8h ago
And DAs are hardly ever held accountable; that means ALL of their cases come under scrutiny. The judicial system can’t afford that.
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u/nagash321 8h ago
Exactly they lose one case every other case comes into question so redoing all of them would take too much time and money
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u/Majestic_Impress6364 8h ago
How to radicalize the poor overnight and make the people actively distrust authorities.
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u/The-UnknownSoldier 9h ago
Yeah but it's more likely to happen to a non white person in America compared with a white one.
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u/Nannercorn 5h ago
Making a Murderer also is a good one on a similar topic, although the level of guilt is slightly more nuanced it's very interesting
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u/crank1000 6h ago
Why was he even a suspect?
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u/Softestwebsiteintown 6h ago
Because a “witness” named him. Literally just someone lied to the authorities that this guy was there and that was enough for them. I can’t remember if he lived in the vicinity of the murder or would visit someone on that street.
The fucked up thing is that the prosecution was ruthless in pursuing this guy who clearly hadn’t even been in the vicinity. The fact that he had tickets from the Dodgers game wasn’t enough to establish an alibi. The fact that he was recorded at the Dodgers game wasn’t enough either. He had to show that he had made a phone call from the stadium a short enough time before the murder that he couldn’t have physically gotten there in time.
And the prosecution still pushed, saying that the cell tower records didn’t prove he was at the game at that point, just that he was within a certain radius of the tower and could have been close enough to get there before the victim was killed.
This guy had to quite literally prove his innocence with a bunch of different technology - some of which was completely miraculous and random - and it’s sad to say that he was “lucky” all of that technology lined up well enough to keep the state from taking his life. It went from “he was spotted at the scene” to “he can’t physically prove he wasn’t there”.
It’s like that Dave Chappelle bit about making a public scene to establish an alibi when you hear the cops are looking for someone who remotely resembles you. People who don’t have a provable footprint of their whereabouts at all times are potentially at the mercy of a “justice” system that’s out for blood.
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u/RahvinDragand 4h ago
Even if he had no alibi and the witness did actually see him at the scene, that's still not evidence of him committing the murder.
It's also terrifying that you could end up sitting in prison for 6 months before even going to trial.
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u/eggyal 4h ago
However did a jury find that guilt was proved beyond reasonable doubt ?
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u/5rungladder 3h ago
He wasn't. The case never made it to trial because the judge, correctly believed the prosecution didn't have enough to convict. The deciding point was when the eye witness couldn't point him out in court. Mainly cause the eye witness had never seen Juan Catalan before.
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u/RahvinDragand 2h ago
That's the craziest part. He spent 6 months in prison just because the cops thought that he matched a description and that was enough to charge him and keep him locked up.
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u/BearMethod 4h ago
This doc is incredible. It's very beautiful in it's own right. A man about to lose everything saved by a show. A very scary insight into the flaws of the US justice system.
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u/javanfrogmouth 12h ago
Good work by the lawyer, crap work from the “justice system”.
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u/NotNice4193 11h ago
incredible work by lawyer. how do you even find out that their is some unaired footage of a TV show that contained footage of a game you client claimed to be at? Then, going through the footage to find your client in the stands. insane.
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u/Woffingshire 9h ago
IIRC after basically begging the guy to remember if there was ANY evidence he had been at the game, since the CCTV footage had been thrown out as evidence for being too low-quality to say it was him, he eventually remembered that there was a camera crew he walked past on the way back from the bathroom.
The lawyer contacted the stadium who told him which network they were from, then he contacted the network and had to convince them to tell him what show it was for. Then he had to contact the producers of the show and beg them to let him see the unaired footage and it was just his luck that the accused guy just so happened to have been caught on camera for about 2 seconds of time-stamped footage as he walked past.
If they hadn't been rolling at the time he came back from the bathroom, or if he had taken a route that put him out of camera shot, there would have been no admissable evidence that he was at the game at the time of the murder.
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u/carpetbugeater 9h ago
Thank you for taking the time to outline what happened.
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u/natural5280 7h ago
Watch the documentary "Long shot ' on Netflix about this.
I actually teared up writing this, remembering 'the moment '
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u/RoxieMoxie420 7h ago
not his ticket stubs or any purchase records from the game? They won't let his 6-year-old daughter corroborate he was at the game with her?
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u/Woffingshire 7h ago
Basically the distance away the murder happened meant he could have easily gone to the game, left, committed the murder and gone back between the other 2 pieces of evidence that placed him at the stadium.
But he walked past the TV show and was caught on camera at a time which meant he wouldn't have been able to get back in time if he was still at the stadium.
i can't remember why his daughter couldn't testify to him being there the whole time.
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u/RoxieMoxie420 7h ago
it's crazy to me that someone would have to prove they were at the alibi the entire time but the prosecutor wouldn't have to provide any evidence at all that they had actually left the alibi.
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u/Krell356 6h ago
It's just frustrating when the burden of proof is supposed to be on the state, not the defendant. It's a criminal case, not a civil case. Fucking ridiculous that people get put away without real proof that it was them.
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u/AnarchistBorganism 5h ago
The problem with "reasonable doubt" is that people aren't reasonable enough to judge what that is. What "reasonable doubt" is becomes a cultural standard, influenced by media and politicians rather than a serious philosophical discussion.
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u/BoltActionRifleman 7h ago
Yeah it’s like they can just come up with the most unlikely scenario and say “possible = guilty”.
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u/hwf0712 Red 6h ago
Not really.
If you can't prove you were there at a time incompatible with the murder, it's not really an alibi from my understanding.
If your ticket is scanned at 6:55, and the murder happened an hour away at 8:30, your 6:55 scan doesn't mean shit, even if you have a credit card purchase for a churro in the parking lot at 9:45. That is easily enough time to get there, murder, and come back. Made up situation, but the point is there
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u/sonofaresiii 6h ago edited 5h ago
Yeah I think we all agree that wrongly convicting someone sucks
but if all you had to do to get away with murder was purchase a ticket somewhere, at some time, then go commit the murder
that... that's not gonna work, you know?
e: Some of you seem to think what this post said was "If you have a ticket purchased sometime around the time of murder, that means you're guilty and this wrongful conviction was justified"
I guess you all just didn't read the first sentence I wrote? Or like... the rest of it?
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u/Softestwebsiteintown 6h ago
Except that we know there was zero evidence actually connecting this guy to the murder. Only, I believe, a fabrication by a witness saying they saw the guy. If they had found some of the victim’s blood on his clothes, the Dodgers game alibi potentially falls apart. In the absence of any actual evidence linking him to the crime, the Dodgers game alibi is completely plausible and provides plenty of reasonable doubt that the guy did it.
If all you have is “someone said they saw him there and he can’t physically prove he wasn’t”, you probably shouldn’t be trying to put that guy away for murder.
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u/I-Love-Tatertots 5h ago
Yeah, and I’m willing to bet that the “blurry CCTV footage” would have been allowed as evidence if it supported the prosecution’s claim… but because it supported the defense, they couldn’t allow it.
This just seems like a case where they wanted a conviction no matter if it was the right person or not, considering there seems to be zero things linking him to the murder.
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u/BurntCash 7h ago
6 year old probably not a reliable witness. possession of a ticket stub doesn't prove he was there. Might not have kept any receipts.
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u/RoboModeTrip 6h ago
They take little kids words all the time though in other cases. Doesn't make sense to pick and choose.
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u/RoxieMoxie420 7h ago
doesn't have to prove he was there, just provide a reasonable doubt as to guilt. It's more evidence than there must have been to claim he was at the site of the crime at that time.
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u/mike_tdf 6h ago
Ok. No admissable evidence he was at the game if not for that 2 seconds footage. Do you happen to know what was the admissable evidence that made him guilty?
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u/ObviouslyAroundFood 6h ago
I would have deliberately avoided being in camera for courtesy of not potentially ruining whatever they were shooting for.
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u/sonofaresiii 6h ago
I always avoid it if they ask politely, or even just put up some signs or something.
I had one PA once start screaming at me that that I wasn't allowed to walk through on a sidewalk once. Didn't ask, just started screaming at me. Well, it was a public sidewalk and she wasn't a cop so I told her to fuck off and walked through.
I doubt they used the shot, but I always look for myself in the outdoor street scenes of the newsroom pilot.
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u/sonofaresiii 6h ago
since the CCTV footage had been thrown out as evidence for being too low-quality to say it was him
I know the actual legal proceedings are always more complicated than anonymous redditors make it out to be, but how is that not the jury's responsibility to determine?
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u/DieselPunkPiranha 11h ago
Lawyer contacted the stadium for footage. Stadium crew put him in touch with the studio because any studio doing filming there would require their permission.
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u/PM_ME_UR_BIG_TIT5 9h ago
That fucking lawyer is incredibly resourceful, I would never think of it but i imagine you could just look up if any filming happened at the stadium that day then beg for footage from whomever was there. I assume a TV show filming would be documented. Still insane to think without the lawyer or the filming happening that day an innocent man could be behind bars still.
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u/Daratirek 10h ago
The guy saw the filming going on near him. There's always unsure footage so the lawyer asked to review it. Took time but it worked out.
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u/whydoihavetojoin 7h ago
What physical evidence did they use to convict him.
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u/MonsterTamerBilly 6h ago
His name. Not being born in the US while at the US. Xenophobia, same as always
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u/Tango-Turtle 5h ago
Technically, lawyers are part of the justice system. Unfortunately it was 6 months too slow. And for people who can't afford expensive lawyers, it usually doesn't work out as well at all. Compared to billionaires getting away with all kinds of shit, because they can hire a whole fucking team of best lawyers.
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u/Jean-LucBacardi 6h ago
One more reminder that, despite what they say, you are in fact guilty until proven innocent, and it's only up to you to 100% prove that. If you're of color, 100% innocence usually still means guilty.
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u/privateidaho_chicago BROWN 9h ago
He is brown and not wealthy … the “just us” system take exception to that.
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u/ObviouslyAroundFood 6h ago
I'm experienced with paying lawyers and attorneys by the hour. I wonder what the defendant's legal bill is.
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u/Woffingshire 9h ago
This picture here isn't even the evidence that got him out. The CCTV footage like this was thrown out as being too low-quality to make out that it was clearly him. What got him out was that he accidentally walked through the back of a shot in Curb Your Enthusiasm as it was being filmed there.
The Lawyer went to great lengths to get the footage because it was for an unaired episode they didn't want leaked. He had to tell them that a mans life was on the line if they didn't get the footage, and he had to go in person to the production studio and be supervised while watching it.
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u/wheresmyflan 8h ago
Not important to the story, but just putting myself in his shoes, I don’t think I could manage to not laugh a single time during an episode of curb. I wonder if the lawyer was able to sit in a room with a TV, watch the whole thing, and keep a straight face and be all serious; or, did a giggle or two managed to eek out. Did he get snacks?
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u/Consistent-Fox-6944 7h ago
Particularly this specific episode. Shit was hilarious.
'The Car Pool Lane'
Curb Your Enthusiasm: Season 4, Episode 6
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u/mata_dan 5h ago
IT wouldn't have been a properly edited together episode so it was probably 80% b-roll and dud takes.
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u/Lily_Baxter 6h ago
So this I believe is the footage from the actual game. The footage from the show I think was much clearer. You are right that this evidence didn't get him off, but it was because of the time stamp. The prosecutor (who is complete trash) said that he would have enough time to leave after this and still get to the area the murder was committed. I believe it was cell tower records that finally won them over. Definitely gonna watch Long Shot again when I'm done with work today.
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u/Stormfeathery 12h ago
Which is why I’m against the death penalty without even stressing over whether it’s moral or not - it’s hard enough to make it up to someone after they’re locked up for years or decades when you find exonerating proof. Even harder when you’re staring at their corpse saying “oops, our bad”
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u/levitikush 8h ago
I agree. Even a .01% chance of executing an innocent person makes the entire idea of the death penalty unacceptable in modern society imo.
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u/StolenSweet-Roll 5h ago
I agree with this sentiment, and just to add another reason: last I looked into it (debate for a class years and years ago) it's actually cheaper to incarcerate someone for life than pay for the chemical/medical cocktail of executing them.
Things may have changed since, but that was quite a shock to me when I was researching in the past
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u/Crossie_94 4h ago
100% against in any circumstances, but just wanted to clarify, from everything I have read, it's not the chemical/medical cocktail specifically that is more expensive, more the legal processes and appeals associated with the death penalty.
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u/DarthFedora 7h ago
There really isn’t any benefits either, more expensive than a life sentence, and ultimately does nothing to lower crime rates.
Some may argue that it’s good for the victims but it really isn’t, that sort of healing is unhealthy, it’s basically a mental gamble
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u/Rooney_Tuesday 7h ago
Thank you, because this really can’t be stressed enough: despite what tough-on-crime people claim, the death penalty does not reduce the amount or severity of crimes committed. It isn’t a deterrent. So we’re executing people - and spending tons of our taxpayer money to do it and sometimes murdering innocent people in the process - but it provides no actual benefit to society.
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u/imaloony8 2h ago
Yeah, the death penalty is also expensive, costing taxpayers more than imprisoning someone for life (legal fees), so Death Penalty is also bad from a monetary standpoint.
Plus, for anyone crowing about “tHeY gEt To LiVe!?” Yeah, anyone who would be on death row is already getting life with no parole, possibly at a super max. The rest of their days are going to be fucking miserable.
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u/siwan1995 12h ago
Guilty until proven innocent that’s how it really works.
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u/Few-Cabinet3309 12h ago
Unless you're Luigi.. then they make documentaries about you, call for the death penalty before any convictions, make you do a perp walk with 30 cops...
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u/RunInRunOn 11h ago
unless
Did you mean especially? Because you just described "guilty until proven innocent" to a T
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u/Monster887 6h ago
Yep. And for the most part whenever the investigators get it wrong they never apologize or admit their mistake. ‘We worked the case and the evidence pointed to the innocent guy because once we decided in our minds that it was him there was no changing our minds. Despite the wrongly accused being on the surface of the moon during the commission of this crime we still feel he was involved somehow so while he won’t be charged with the crime at hand we believe he’s not 100% innocent’.
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u/bigsam63 11h ago
This makes zero sense to me. Wouldn’t the Dodgers have had ample surveillance footage of this guy at the game???
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u/yoncexwhit 11h ago
This is what I’m thinking Tickets, purchases made, something wtf
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u/egnards 9h ago
This case happened in 2003 - Yes surveillance footage was available at the time, but there is no reason for The Dodgers to hold onto months and months of footage at any one time, most surveillance footage rewrites over itself if no incidences occur.
The game in question happened in early May, and his arrest didn't occur until August. It would be so unlikely that said footage still existed if not for Curb having filmed.
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u/Zuokula 10h ago
Record of a purchased ticket does not prove you've been there.
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u/yoncexwhit 10h ago
Well to my knowledge whenever this occurred they can use the system to figure out when it was scanned in, check entrance tapes at that time, see if you sold the ticket online something!
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u/Sir-Nicholas 9h ago
From another comment the stadium cctv was ruled as inadmissible because it was too blurry to confirm it was him
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u/_tube_ 7h ago edited 5h ago
This is common - too common, unfortunately. NPR had a story about a similar event involving a man that was accused by police of a serious crime he didn't commit. He was out shopping at the time of the crime, and had a receipt for something he bought. That wasn't enough. Cops wanted video evidence that he was nowhere near the crime scene. Public defender had to go to the store cameras to confirm it was him before they would let him go. The camera footage had been scheduled to be cycled through/written over, but they managed to obtain it before it was deleted. This was thanks to an overworked public defendant.
People that dont have access to good representation get offered plea bargains knowing that they will likely take the deal instead of going to court and getting the book thrown at them for something they didnt do. DAs count these plea bargains as convictions, and make them look good, as protecting the public from dangerous criminals. Yet they know they are sending innocent people to jail.
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u/Used_Lawfulness748 9h ago
The prosecution still wanted to move forwards with his trial because she they could maintain their record of convictions (and they hate evidence that disproves their belief in their own awesomeness)
Some people shouldn’t be in positions of authority.
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u/GrandArmadillo6831 7h ago
If yOu're noT gUilty whY are yoU worRied aBout poLice haviNg morE pOwer?
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u/galaxyapp 8h ago
It's one thing to not have an alibi. But what evidence did they have to prove he did it?
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u/westcal98 8h ago
They had the most damming evidence that they always have. Skin color.
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u/galaxyapp 8h ago
I did some googling. All the links seem a little rose colored, but his brother was in a car with a gang member who shot a random other gang member and he was the getaway driver.
Then somehow the shooter in that murder arrived at his gfs house and shot her friends boyfriend in the parking lot....
Then his gf cooperated with the police, so he called in a hit on his exgf/witness... and she was killed... and an eyewitness fingered him as the killer in that murder... cops raided the house that his whole family lived in and found drugs, which he said were his, to spare his father, but were actually his brothers...
I donno, still a little confused but I'm not sure we have any saints in this whole group, but it seems at least he didn't participate in this murder.
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u/star_raven_ 10h ago
Justice system is supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. The US seems to have gotten it backwards. But i suppose he "fit the description..." 😑
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u/pineapplefiz 8h ago
I wouldn’t consider this mildly infuriating. This is extremely infuriating and adds to the growing pile of things showing how broken our “justice” system is.
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u/FarWatch9660 7h ago
I've seen worse. There was a guy arrested for bank robbery because the facial recognition said it was him. That guy never entered the bank; he only used the ATM. The teller even said it wasn't the right guy. Took him almost a year to get cleared.
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u/Great-Gas-6631 8h ago
Great documentary on it. Prosecutor was obsessed with executing gang members, but he wasnt even a gang member.
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u/free_based_potato 7h ago
He's lucky to be out even with the evidence. According to the SCOTUS, "Mere factual innocence is not reason enough to not carry out a death sentence properly reached."
We do not live in a country of laws. We live in a country of rulers, and our freedoms are subject to their whims.
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u/mmohaje 12h ago
This could literally be a storyline in Curb Your Enthusiasm.
That's insane.
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u/AndrewH73333 7h ago
This proves they put someone in prison with no evidence. I assume many people lost their jobs and went to jail over it, right? Right???
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u/Fthku 11h ago
6 months is terrible, but honestly I've seen way worse from "wrongfully accused" - 20+ years, or exonerated after executions..
As a kid I was scared of the prospect of visiting America partially because of this but also a ton of other stuff I've seen on TV, and I'm from the ME and used to rockets, bombings etc. Always seemed surreal to me
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u/Great_Ad_4904 11h ago
Gosh I JUST listened to this case on Casefile Podcast last night. Absolutely unreal. If just one thing, ONE THING, had been different, if his daughter decided to not go to the game, if he hadn’t been given the tickets, if the TV camera crew weren’t there. Gosh.
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u/john_jdm 7h ago edited 4h ago
The part that angers me the most is that if he literally was somewhere else at the time of the murder, how in the hell was there enough "evidence" to put him in jail and charge him for that murder?
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u/TracePlayer 7h ago
His lawyer couldn’t make his alibi stick with two ticket stubs and his daughter as a witness? And probably tons of security camera footage.
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u/rawkguitar 7h ago
Prosecution argued he could have left the game early and committed the murder.
They sure don’t care about a 6 year old’s testimony (unless it helps them)
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u/Positivelythinking 7h ago edited 7h ago
This documentary was done very well. I’ve seen it a couple times. An important take away was: what if you are home alone watching tv then go to bed. How do you prove you didn’t murder some guy down the block if a witness swears it was you? Watch the effort this superior lawyer went through. Keep this lawyers name in your cell. The doc is called Long Shot on Netflix. Worth watching.
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u/wanderer9923 5h ago
In the Netflix documentary there is a much better, crystal clear shot of this guy at the game. He just happened to be returning to his seat from concessions with his daughter while Larry David is walking up the same row. It gives me chills every time I see it.
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u/style-addict 11h ago
But why did they assume it was him? 🤔🤔🤔
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u/kluda06 11h ago
You should listen to case file 134 I literally just listened to this a week ago. Pretty F d up, also just assumption because he matched the description but even with an alibi, they were making sure he wouldn't get out. His lawyer did all the work to get him out.
In the end. He was free. Sued. Got a settlement. The family of the women who was murdered sued for negligence from the cops, got $1
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u/fupafather 9h ago
Why did they have to wait for footage from a scripted tv show instead of combing through the recorded broadcast of the actual game?
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u/FracturedMotivation 9h ago
And the people who throw him in prison are still working and getting pay with our taxes. How many hundreds of innocent people they ruined their lives and do not get any punishment but instead it is the tax payers that get punished?
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u/Blood_Drinker_King 8h ago
UNUSED footage??? So it wasn't even a
moment at home?! Incredible. I gotta watch the documentary.
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u/Call__Me__David 7h ago
Good thing he wasn't incarcerated in Missouri. The state AG here likes keeping innocent people locked up.
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u/Sudden_Season3306 6h ago
The scary thing is that with a.i on the rise, it's only a matter of time until the guilty go free and the innocent are framed, and nobody will be able to tell the difference! This will bring about evidence like this being used in cases being thrown out due to the inability to distinguish between authentic and altered images! Laugh all you want, but it's coming!
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u/getdown83 6h ago
Seems to me they weren’t gonna be able to prove without a reasonable doubt he was guilty in the first place. That’s the problem you have to prove I’m guilty o don’t have to prove I’m innocent the burden is on the state. Well at least it’s supposed to be. They couldn’t have had evidence for the arrest.
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u/TehMephs 6h ago
Thank hell it was only six months. Some people get hung out for their entire lives and only get justice after most of it passed them by. And they’re lucky to get any restitution for the suffering
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u/dekuweku 5h ago
I wonder how much racism and assuming the killer has to be a man played into him being convicted
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u/icewalker2k 4h ago
Did the police ever find the real killer? I would surmise that they didn’t and the trail has gone too cold for them to find the killer now?
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u/Good_Presentation26 4h ago
Yeah he was just another man in the eyes of the justice system. Fuck him and his life right?
They had absolutely no reason to convict this guy and whoever does this should face the same time the person wrongfully convicted.
Maybe think twice.
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u/obamaschopsticks 2h ago
That lawyer worked his ass off with no pay for months trying to get the unaired film
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u/AUnknownVariable 1h ago
Fuck mildly infuriating. For 6 months, everyone that knew, the family of the victim included. Almost everyone believed that he was a killer. The killer of a young girl at that.
It's not like he was in jail for a petty crime. That threw his life upside down.
I feel just as bad for the family of the victim, who thought for 6 months that her killer was found
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u/KayD12364 1h ago
I will never understand how police can just do bad investigating. Like how can you live with yourself knowing that killers are still out there and you only think a person is guilty but you don't actually know 100% for sure.
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u/lola_the_lesbian 1h ago
This is much much more than mildly infuriating They had VIDEO EVIDENCE THAT HE COULDNT HAVE COMMITTED THE CRIME CAN YOU IMAGINE BEING CONVICTED FOR MURDER WHEN THEY HAD VIDEO EVIDENCE
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u/botella36 12h ago
For us, it is just midly infuriating, for him and his family a lot more than that.