Trump Admin Threatens to Stop Social Security If DOGE Can’t Have Data

[u/aliceindotardland]

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-musk-stop-social-security-doge-data-1235300785/

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[u/brain_overclocked]

Donald Trump’s interim Social Security chief suggested Thursday night he will effectively turn off the agency that manages the essential safety net program for seniors and the disabled, if Elon Musk and his so-called Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) can’t access the non-anonymized sensitive personal information and data of hundreds of millions of Americans, based on a judge’s order.

“My anti-fraud team would be DOGE affiliates. My IT staff would be DOGE affiliates,” said Lee Dudek, acting Social Security Administration (SSA) commissioner, arguing the order was too broad, according to Bloomberg News. “As it stands, I will follow it exactly and terminate access by all SSA employees to our IT systems,” he said, adding: “Really, I want to turn it off and let the courts figure out how they want to run a federal agency.”

Dudek’s threat to block SSA employees from using the agency’s IT systems — a move that could halt Social Security payments — came in response to a judge’s temporary restraining order in a case brought by the AFL-CIO labor union. The order bars Social Security Administration officials from allowing DOGE, including Musk, and the SSA’s DOGE team to access personally identifiable information. It also directs Musk and DOGE to delete from their possession all non-anonymized personal data, and bars them from having access to SSA computers or code.

And there it fucking is.

They're trying to use the pretext of the ruling as cover for shutting down Social Security like they have always wanted to do.

[u/Mental_Camel_4954 → u/brain_overclocked]

I hope they do and make people wake up in this country. Don't mess with people's money

[u/MXXIV666 → u/Mental_Camel_4954]

Don't get your hopes up. Just recently I saw an article about trump supporter whose wife was deported. He still supports trump.

Or the one about antivaxxers whose kid died of measles, but they are still antivaxx, since their other kids survived.

These people will NEVER change their minds. Any misfortune that befalls them will be instead blamed on "the libs" or deemed "god's plan".

[u/UtzTheCrabChip → u/MXXIV666]

Mass deportations and vaccine skepticism were part of his whole campaign though. People who wanted those things voted for him.

Stopping Grandma's social security was something he repeatedly promised not to do

[u/Otherwise_Bar_5069 → u/UtzTheCrabChip]

They'll tell Grandma to get off her ass and get a job like everyone else.

[u/tdquiksilver → u/Otherwise_Bar_5069]

They would also prefer young children head to the coal mines and meat packing plants.

[u/Nixxuz → u/tdquiksilver]

Other people's young children. People they don't like. They were promised retribution against the people who had the temerity to request they not outright act like assholes.

Remember, "conservatives" and Republicans aren't for anything. They are only against.

[u/flatwoundsounds → u/Nixxuz]

Why do you think they're cutting the ed department? Poor kids don't need to learn! They need to get crushed by industrial equipment earn!!!

[u/I_LICK_PINK_TO_STINK → u/flatwoundsounds]

The children yearn for the mines!

[u/flatwoundsounds → u/I_LICK_PINK_TO_STINK]

I finally figured out I can use my teacher email address to play the free "education" version of Minecraft, and I can't stop that phrase from running through my head every time I play

[u/Upstairs_Owl_1669 → u/Nixxuz]

Poor people’s children actually. Specifically

[u/Patanned → u/Upstairs_Owl_1669]

sex trafficking 13 y.o. white girls, specifically.

[u/vehiclestars → u/Patanned]

Republicans prefer 13 year old white boys.

[u/blonderengel → u/tdquiksilver]

The olds would also prefer to sacrifice their own lives so as to avoid any kind of COVID-related damage to the economy.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/03/24/covid-19-texas-official-suggests-elderly-willing-die-economy/2905990001/#

[u/glassjar1 → u/blonderengel]

I'm one of the olds, and I heartily do not endorse this message. I remember the statement though, and I do know plenty of old T supporters--t-straps if you will.

Edit: fixed bad autocorrect word usage

[u/SmurfStig → u/Otherwise_Bar_5069]

My MIL, who is full on maga cult and retired, has made mention several times that they would just have to get part time work if needed. They live in an area where unemployment is crazy high because all the jobs left decades ago and they keep chasing away every opportunity that tries to come in. Good luck.

[u/ERedfieldh → u/SmurfStig]

Did you mention to her that social security isn't just hand outs and that's money that the government put aside for us so we didn't have to work until we drop dead? It's literally OUR FUCKING MONEY.

[u/Oneheckofanight → u/Otherwise_Bar_5069]

Vance already said Grandma’s gonna be watching the grandkids. That’s their solution for daycare if Mom has a Career.

[u/RexKramerDangerCker → u/Oneheckofanight]

How’s that gonna interfere with Granny’s streetwalker career?

[u/QbertsRube → u/RexKramerDangerCker]

We're going to be manufacturing child-sized pimpwear the likes of which has never been seen before, perhaps, in the history of the country. The manufacturing of kids pimpwear was zero under Biden, nothing, total disaster, they said it couldn't be done, but we're doing it at a pace that you wouldn't believe. Size 4 gatorskin boots, children's velvet suits, tiny pimp canes, made right here in America people, believe me when I say we're bringing manufacturing back and we're bringing back families who work together to meet the needs of hard-working Americans and to make America great again!

[u/cheesedog3 → u/Otherwise_Bar_5069]

We all know just how easy it is to get a job once you pass a certain age (60 or 70 years old), even McDonalds won’t hire you.

[u/QbertsRube → u/cheesedog3]

Under Biden, there was one greeter at each Walmart door, Sad! Trump's plan will give us 20, perhaps 30, greeters at every Walmart entrance. The great Lincoln and Washington had no greeters at Walmart doors, "Where are all the greeters?" people would say. With my plan, when we make America great, you'll feel so greeted, believe me.

[u/Notveryawake → u/QbertsRube]

Walmart won't have them greeting people. They will have them in the back unloading trucks until their hips finally snap. Once they can't work anymore they will be sent to death camps. If you can't work for the new minium wage of 20 cents an hour you are no good to America anymore.

[u/DChristy87 → u/Otherwise_Bar_5069]

Lazy liberal thinks she can just sit around and crochet while enjoying some Werther's Originals? Not in Trump's 'murica! Get a job bitch!

[u/Patanned → u/DChristy87]

that's actually their mindset. people were supposed to work until they dropped dead (literally) up until the early 20th century.

[u/jimbo91375 → u/Patanned]

For pennies while the owners amassed the wealth. Grandma still died impoverished and broken.

[u/bigperm58 → u/Otherwise_Bar_5069]

The Couch Fucker has already said as much.

[u/chmod777 → u/Otherwise_Bar_5069]

she can work at the new, beautiful clean coal mines.

[u/SimplyTennessee → u/Otherwise_Bar_5069]

Or watch children for free so parents can work more.

[u/duke_chute → u/Otherwise_Bar_5069]

They will just gas light their supporters like they always do. . . No we didn't break it. . . Oh it's not working for this one person . . . That because Hillary's emails to Hunters laptop sent that specific grandma's money to Ukraine...dummy, what are you some kind of deranged lunatic lib.

[u/Busy_Average_7305 → u/UtzTheCrabChip]

Trump will just blame Biden and DEI for having to end Social security, but that him and Elon are working on concepts of a better system. His sycophants will cheer, and he'll proclaim it's great television.

sigh

[u/zaxdaman → u/UtzTheCrabChip]

If they voted for him and believed this “promise”, then I’ve got a big fucking double news flash for them.

[u/UtzTheCrabChip → u/zaxdaman]

To me, yes his lies were pretty easy to see through, that's one of many reasons I never supported the guy.

But the question here is "will he lose support". Which has a different likelihood when he's following through on promises vs breaking them

[u/CaptainJudaism → u/UtzTheCrabChip]

We already know he won't lose support because if his supporters were capable of critical thought... they wouldn't be supporting him.

[u/afvs28957 → u/MXXIV666]

They’d rather have dead kids or starving parents than admit they’re wrong. Their egos are literally killing people.

[u/MDUBK → u/afvs28957]

I think it goes further than ego - a huge underlying component of their psyche is that having the wrong beliefs deserves punishment (see evangelicals). They will bend reality into a pretzel before admitting they were wrong.

[u/SwordfishOfDamocles → u/MDUBK]

You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.

[u/Pretty-Balance-Sheet → u/SwordfishOfDamocles]

And you can't convince a liar to accept the truth, they already know the truth, they just don't care.

[u/themoontotheleft → u/MDUBK]

Exactly. The head of Trump's Faith department (Paula White) practices Prosperity Gospel, which Google summarizes like this:

Prosperity gospel, also known as the "health and wealth gospel" or "name it and claim it," is a theological movement within Protestant Christianity that emphasizes the belief that God wants believers to be prosperous in health, wealth, and happiness, achieved through faith, positive declarations, and giving to the church. Here's a more detailed explanation:

Core Beliefs:

God's Will for Prosperity: Adherents believe that God desires believers to be richly blessed in this life, with physical well-being and material riches being seen as signs of God's favor. 

Faith and Positive Declarations: They emphasize the power of faith, positive thinking, and declaring blessings to attract health, wealth, and happiness. 

Giving to the Church: Donations to the church are seen as a way to "invest" in blessings and attract God's favor. 

Jesus's Sacrifice: Some prosperity gospel preachers assert that Jesus died to take away every sickness in this life and to atone for the "sin" of financial poverty. 

So basically poor people deserve to be miserable because they must have sinned. It's obscene.

[u/duke_chute → u/MXXIV666]

I think the guilt of those antivax parents will eventually catch up to them and lead to a suicide. Cognitive dissonance has some crazy power over the mind but can only take it so far and for so long. Can't imagine knowing that your outright stupidity directly caused your child's death.

[u/Zealousideal_Rise879 → u/duke_chute]

These people are in an… interesting state of mind.

They still might be on a honeymoon period from the election. The outcome of the votes makes them feel valid in being the worse version of themselves.

So when something terrible happens; the mental barriers are strong.

Like you said though, it will catch up. Likely off camera, since they won’t want to admit they were wrong. Then they’ll stop being open supporters (there will be exceptions)

[u/GrafZeppelin127 → u/Zealousideal_Rise879]

Historically speaking, we’re still well within the “honeymoon” period of a new administration, but Trump is cratering that goodwill with record speed. It only feels like time is creeping by because of the furious pace of events.

[u/ExistingPosition5742 → u/duke_chute]

Nah. They think Jesus 'called home' their child and the kid is 'in a better place'. Trust me. They've absolved themselves of all responsibility. 

[u/DChristy87 → u/MXXIV666]

MAGAs would probably say "Well, I probably shouldn't have Social Security if that's what Trump says, so I'm on board!" Somehow they'll tell themselves it's owning the libs and they're winning so hard.

[u/def_not_BALD_x-mil → u/DChristy87]

They already are!! Those fucknuts are already sneering when ‘social security’ is mentioned and using the word ‘entitlement’ like it was offensive. MF’R, SOCIAL SECURITY IS AN ENTITLEMENT! These folks need to grab a dictionary and look up what an entitlement actually is. Yes, we are all entitled to receive the benefits we’ve paid into at the end of our “working” lives!!

But now they like to throw around buzzwords like how it’s a ponzi scheme or a scam without really understanding wtf any of it actually means; just parroting whatever BS “news source” they’re told to listen to.

It absolutely blows my mind how MAGA brainwashed these idiots into fighting against their own self-interests.

[u/stenmarkv → u/DChristy87]

They bewilder me. My wife and I had to have a talk with her parents because we've had some recent life changes and we can't afford to send them some money or pay for their phone lines anymore. They flipped out and were saying that Trump is going to fix everything and how selfish we were being. They are on social security and can barely afford to live. I'm pretty sure they would have the same reaction but at the democrats that re currently in office (they sometimes forget that Obama and Biden aren't in office anymore).

[u/247cnt → u/stenmarkv]

Hope they enjoy eating cat food! If they can manage to steal some.

[u/broad_street_bully → u/DChristy87]

True, but they'll die off quicker now that their monetary lifeline is cut off instead of the usual dismissal of infringement on basic rights.

Give it maybe two missed checks and there will suddenly be a lot more old assholes willing to not bitch about pronouns in exchange for being able to afford their medications

[u/escapefromelba → u/DChristy87]

The younger ones will see more money in their paycheck and praise Trump for it.  It will take years for the leopards to eat their faces and Trump long gone when they are destitute and living in poverty in their senior years.

[u/DChristy87 → u/escapefromelba]

I legitimately would not be surprised if the current administration stopped paying out social security all together but kept taking it out of paychecks for... "reasons".

[u/New_Milk6069 → u/DChristy87]

I suspect we will discover down the road that all the congressionally-appointed funds for USAID, and every department that's been dismantled by DOGE are not just sitting unused in an account somewhere. It's all being stolen.

[u/Physical-Dare5059 → u/New_Milk6069]

X just “raised” $1billion in private equity. The list of donors is being kept secret/anonymous. Probably because it was USAID.

[u/niehle → u/New_Milk6069]

It will be used for buying cryptocurrency for the federal crypto reserve.

[u/akosuae22 → u/DChristy87]

Exactly

[u/FiveUpsideDown → u/DChristy87]

Except, it’s harder to say that when your Social Security check stops coming. There is a claim we are only nine missed meals from civil unrest. Some may stay in the MAGA cult, but others may blame Musk and DOG E.

[u/247cnt → u/FiveUpsideDown]

Idk if the government is thinking that people on SS are too old/weak to show up or wreak havoc? If every dickhead boomer gun collector isn't at their reps office beating down the door after this, nothing will change their hearts and minds. Dying to own the libs. Okay.

[u/tmrnwi → u/MXXIV666]

The anti-vaxer was a Mennonite. Still awful -but they never believed in modernized medicine. This sadly, would have happened and will continue to happen in those communities that practice these kinds of cultures.

The Trump supporter came across as an underdeveloped frontal lobe that has never considered anything outside of where the closest Denny’s was.

[u/InAllThingsBalance → u/Mental_Camel_4954]

I paid into this shit my entire working life. I am not going to have them steal it from me, especially after watching my 401k tank because of Trump’s ineptitude. If our elected officials won’t stand up for us, we have to do it ourselves!

[u/laferri2 → u/InAllThingsBalance]

Trying to actually take away Social Security would be the quickest way to start an armed rebellion in the country.

Which is the end-goal of all of this anyway, so it's almost certainly going to happen at some point.

[u/Background-Tax-5341 → u/laferri2]

Yes so he can impose martial law.

[u/lazyFer → u/Background-Tax-5341]

Anyone wanting unrest so they can declare martial law doesn't understand large numbers.

1% of the population is more than double the size of the entire US military active service members. Even including all civilians workers and inactive duty and national guard and reserve members, 1% of the population is still greater by almost a million people.

Besides, it's not like there would be open armies marching in rank and file.

[u/camerontylek → u/laferri2]

Which is stupid of them (even more so) because the goal of the Heritage fountain is technocratic-serfdom. Yet if they take away SS, there will be no more social blockade left in place to keep the masses from revolutionizing against the 0.1%.

[u/mrkruk → u/InAllThingsBalance]

Everyone who has thought a 401k is their way to be retired needs to understand that we are seeing the bare truth around that - your savings and investments at retirement time are dependent on whether the US elects a clown, and that a bunch of ultra rich mega billionaires call the right shots with their mega corporations.

If they don't - and they don't sometimes - they will sell off some of their insane amounts of shares and exercise options as prices fall (they will get theirs) and you are left saying "but I invested, I'm retired!"

[u/Pretty-Balance-Sheet → u/mrkruk]

That is exactly why I pulled my investments. People go on and on about how you should never react to politics regarding investments. I totally agree.

However, in every other downturn the government has been working to fix the economy. It's clear to me that Trump is intentionally trying to break it.

To me this isn't normal market volatility.

[u/marzgamingmaster → u/Mental_Camel_4954]

That will be great for everyone who wakes up.

I'll become homeless. But, you know. Some people might wake up.

[u/midnight_at_dennys → u/Mental_Camel_4954]

“I sUpPorT eVeRYthHinG pReSidEnT tRuMp dOeS bUt…”

[u/blackhorse15A → u/brain_overclocked]

and let the courts figure out how they want to run a federal agency.

I'll give you a clue: according to the law.

The political cost of this would be huge, and be borne by the administration, not the judges. They must really want to accelerate things and get to the part where the general public starts rioting and demanding the dictator be removed.

[u/CodenameVillain → u/blackhorse15A]

The part where they deploy military on American soil and shoot American citizens they don't like? Absolutely. It's the only thing that gets them stiff anymore.

[u/arachnophilia → u/CodenameVillain]

the real question is whether the military just follows orders

[u/ADHthaGreat → u/arachnophilia]

This admin has done nothing but piss the military off. If I were them, I’d do everything in my power NOT to involve the military at this point.

I don’t know why these white supremacists think that the military will be as racist as they are. It’s a multicultural organization. A huge portion of the military is people of color and most white people are not racist.

[u/ADHthaGreat → u/[deleted]]

Eh. Basic tough guy talk.

It’s easy to say shit like that when you aren’t actually becoming an enemy in the eyes of your fellow countrymen.

Any solider that turns against the citizenry will never be able to feel safe again at home. They’ll be vilified across the nation. The J6 “protesters” had their OWN FAMILIES turning them in.

It ain’t like committing war crimes against some poor village in the Middle East. They won’t be able to just leave the country and pretend they didn’t do anything.

Everything they do here in public will be recorded and spread across social media instantly.

[u/Whargarblle → u/blackhorse15A]

Project 2025 does have a timeline for martial law around April 20th. Or technically “no less than 90 days” after one of his insane national declaration executive orders

[u/whogivesashirtdotca → u/Whargarblle]

April 20th

Hitler's birthday, by the way.

[u/FiveUpsideDown → u/blackhorse15A]

I think that’s what they want. They must know cutting Social Security will cause widespread unrest.

[u/TheMrDetty → u/blackhorse15A]

At which point they can enact the insurrection act and start shooting civilians.

[u/Life_Commission3765 → u/brain_overclocked]

They want to end all “entitlement” programs. This has been their motto for decades. They are just now finally enacting their plan. Just too many of us never took them at their word.

[u/lazyFer → u/Life_Commission3765]

People don't understand that an "entitlement" isn't a bad word, it's literally getting what you've earned. Social Security is paid into for your entire working life so yeah, you've earned the payment.

What? You want a paycheck for your work? You think you're entitled to that?

[u/Life_Commission3765 → u/lazyFer]

Well listening to some of the more extreme right… we aren’t entitled to what we earn… they complain the great resignation and pandemic unrealistically raised wages. How dare they get decent wages!!!!

[u/coconutpiecrust → u/brain_overclocked]

Translation: I was hired to do a job, but I willl  not do it unless you give my buddies your trade secrets. No, you can’t fire me, I am just trying to help you, you have no empathy, why are you against efficiency, what are you hiding. 

[u/MisterEinc → u/brain_overclocked]

Let me guess. They can "turn it off" but that won't stop it from being extracted from my pay.

[u/lazyFer → u/MisterEinc]

Corporations will still need to follow the actual laws on that, which means it will still come out of your wages as normal.

[u/MasterSnacky → u/brain_overclocked]

Same as the pentagon. Musk is holding the entire government hostage. He will have every government secret for his own use, or he’ll shut down the departments one by one. Make no mistake - Elon Musk now holds the entirety of the federal government, including our military, in his hand.

I seem to remember something about right wingers complaining of unelected federal bureaucrats.

[u/TraditionalSky5617 → u/brain_overclocked]

A member of Congress’ Silence will need to become a legislator’s compliance to Trump and this ambition— including dismantling Social Security.

[u/TXblindman → u/brain_overclocked]

Sips coffee, so it's war then.

[u/Ok-Jellyfish-5704]

Social security- we all pay into it. Explain to me MAGA how you’re okay with this?

[u/Brent_L → u/Ok-Jellyfish-5704]

Something something, Elon musk is smart and finds fraud, something something, I am ok with punishing the poor and elderly and even myself to own the libs, something something freddums!

[u/Stoic_acorn → u/[deleted]]

This.

I would be opposed to them having access to the SS data on principle alone, since even if they were competent at understanding databases and detecting fraud, they lack the transparency and authority to be going through that data.

But them being blatantly incompetent just adds a whole other level to this dangerous farce.

[u/Sickhadas → u/Stoic_acorn]

They also have zero training on actual fraud detection or financial forensics.

This whole thing is just a slow coup by the 1%.

[u/ECircus → u/Ok-Jellyfish-5704]

I read a comment from someone who lost their federal job because of DOGE and went on to explain how they don't mind if it makes the county better over the long term lol.

Social security is a scam to them now, because Elon said so.

[u/SmokePenisEveryday → u/ECircus]

My father is gonna be hit by this and I'm expecting the same dumbass response. Dude wakes up at 7am to put on Fox then spends the day in his recliner smoking cigs. Dude is ready to die and willing to do it for this dumbass orange hot dog skinned con man

[u/Useful_Document_4120 → u/SmokePenisEveryday]

Dude is ready to die and willing to do it for this dumbass orange hot dog skinned con man

No offence, but at least once he’s dead that’s one less vote for the dumbass.

[u/SmokePenisEveryday → u/Useful_Document_4120]

That's the kicker. He's never voted nor registered to vote. When I turned 18, he told me not to register because I was more likely to get selected for jury duty lmao

[u/deepkeeps → u/SmokePenisEveryday]

It's sports + soap opera for some people

[u/Ok-Jellyfish-5704 → u/ECircus]

That’s wild.

[u/gideon513 → u/Ok-Jellyfish-5704]

They are literally explaining away their own children avoidably dying from measles. There is no floor. They are not redeemable.

[u/boingoing → u/Ok-Jellyfish-5704]

They don’t know anything except that you’re unhappy about it and that by itself will fill them with glee.

[u/SolidWarning70]

Stopping social security of 71 million Americans will collapse the American economy and thus every trade partner as well.  Trump is a Russian agent sent to destroy the USA. All the Republican enablers are traitors to the country. Y'all want to jump off a cliff? 

[u/Hoopy_Dunkalot → u/SolidWarning70]

I think they do. It's as simple as Matt and Trey of South Park make it look. The common man has complained 'dey took our jerbs' when it was the corporations that sold them out. They easily directed their anger by purchasing the media who in turn blamed it on brown people and liberals. Anything that punishes them is okay so long as it punishes the ones they are told not to like too. They are so put out with the reality they voted for that they want something new.

So the plebs are basically the Borg at this point. Whatever the hive mind instructs.

...Meanwhile over in William Gibson Fantasyland... the TechBros are cheering it on in hopes of a predatory rescue. They want full on Cyberpunk corpostates where the populace is 100% reliant on them.

Flash forward to today - you have Musk dumping $100 cash out to the Borg minions trying to create judicial outcomes. It's shitty fan fiction at this point. 👉👈

[u/DDS-PBS → u/Hoopy_Dunkalot]

Excellent point, the corporations via technology and logistics have taken our jobs. We have the technology to manage complex supply chains, and the logistics to be able to move products to and from wherever their cheapest to make and assemble.

Some of this is good and bad. It will lead to the poorest of nations being lifted out of poverty, if done correctly, as production flows to their cheap labor. It's bad for the environment as we're now shipping things across the world, often unnecessarily, so that they can get the cheapest labor.

In the end, we're still one of the richest countries in the world. There's more than enough jobs and money for everyone. If we enacted common sense guard rails around capitalism, we could easily have it all.

Those common Sense guardrails would look like social security, healthcare for everyone, a minimum wage that insured that anyone who was working could have a decent living, forcing employers to hire most of their workers as full-time, protecting our environment from pollution, protecting our children from diseases, and all the other things that make sense in an advanced society with great wealth and technology.

[u/ZebraMeatisBestMeat → u/DDS-PBS]

Taxation.  That's it.  Start there. 

Why does everyone forget? 

It's really as simple as the wealthy need to pay their fucking tax like the rest of us do. 

Look at the tax rate in the 40s/50s/60s. 

Coincidence?  I don't think so....

[u/ABuffoonCodes → u/SolidWarning70]

My grandparents will lose everything. I can't believe these fuckers. It is completely unacceptable that they want to end an 85 year old program that has been the most successful anti-poverty measure in american history. I'm so tired

[u/leo_aureus → u/ABuffoonCodes]

Losers and fucking suckers, all of them who support this and "serve"

[u/probably_your_wife → u/SolidWarning70]

Y'all want to jump off a cliff? 

I'm ready to jump. My Trump-loving retired neighbors all need to feel the actual pain, and I'll take one for the team at this point.

I know it's isn't the right attitude, but I'm so lost and frustrated I needed to get that out 😦

[u/Sminahin → u/probably_your_wife]

I'm not sure it's the wrong attitude. Have you seen Republican town halls of late? They're full of absolutely furious older conservative types. Most of these people own guns and their anger is fairly directed at people promising to destroy America and actively threatening their lives.

What was it that Wyoming rep said while defending the elimination of life-or-death jobs against a town hall packed with over-60s, maybe over-70s shouting at her? "It’s so bizarre to me how obsessed you are with federal government."

This person's constituents were screaming at her and she blew them off and essentially said she was alright with killing them and their livelihood. The GOP is now in the fuck around and find out phase with their own base and it will bite them in the ass. I'm alright with that. We Dems can just sit back and make popcorn for once.

[u/sundy1234 → u/probably_your_wife]

At this point why not let’s take the leap and get this shit over with and start the rebuild process. No point in dragging out the inevitable.

[u/Quick_Turnover → u/sundy1234]

Mostly because there won't be a rebuild for decades, if we're lucky. It will be a violent, bloody, depressing devolution to rock bottom. We're at the point where we can still come back from the brink without that. I don't know how though. Seems like nobody else does either.

[u/b0w3n → u/Quick_Turnover]

Our civil servants need to actually start doling out punishments.

They don't need to go after the higher end people like Rubio or Musk, they can go for the rank and file that keep doing these guys' jobs. The executive leadership are idiots and don't know how anything works, if the ancillary staff starts getting locked up and face real, actual consequences they'll stop helping.

Start with the lawyers and DOGE employees and it probably won't take much longer than weeks. Get them charged on state crimes which trump can't do anything with, because almost assuredly they're breaking state laws too now. Get the governors of places around DC on board, have them start jailing/firing state troopers that won't comply with arresting these folks too. Eventually someone will get the picture and then the pieces will fall into place.

Maybe it escalates to actual armed conflict. Maybe they'll limp dick their way away and go "fine" and fuck off. I'm betting on the latter because these people are all so fucking stupid.

[u/punkr0x → u/probably_your_wife]

I don't want to go over the cliff, but at this point I'm so tired of screaming at my family, "Don't drive us off the cliff!" I guess we're going over.

[u/purdueaaron → u/punkr0x]

Don't worry, they'll tell you that it's your fault for not screaming louder at them. Ask me how I know...

[u/Luzion → u/SolidWarning70]

The recent Time interview with Grimes, Musk's ex-wife that he co-parents three kids with, was chilling when she made the comment that when AI starts taking over jobs, and the population will be thinned out.

It was strange to me that the interviewer didn't pick up on that comment and dig deeper into it. Of course my brain goes to the thinking that she has insider information.

[u/Kup123 → u/Luzion]

Behind the bastards is doing episodes on the rationalists right now which musk is part of. Their ideas are insane and they basically think they can build an AI God that will ether solve all our problems or create hell on earth.

[u/worldspawn00 → u/Kup123]

Scientists have created the 'torture nexus' from the classic sci-fi book: "Don't create the torture nexus"

[u/karmavorous → u/worldspawn00]

Torment Nexus

[u/FloridaGirlNikki]

Sure Trumplefuck, make millions pay because you can't get what you want. How Trumpian.

Dear Trump voters: HE GIVES ZERO FUCKS HOW MUCH YOU SUFFER.

[u/Odd-Mode-4924 → u/FloridaGirlNikki]

Yeah but are you a liberal? Will you be angry by other people suffering? Then they support it.

They don’t care if they suffer. As long as the people they don’t like suffer and get upset, it’s a win for them

[u/Hoovooloo42 → u/Odd-Mode-4924]

People overcomplicate it but this is what's going on, as someone who used to be extremely right wing and still has a right wing family.

To look at it from the other perspective, there ARE problems in America, right? Like duh, of course there are, we talk about em all the time. They've got the same ones, and despite that they still feel proud of "their country" even though they can't really define what that means. They feel beaten down, they see the poverty and the lack of opportunity, and they hate it. But they're still proud of their country.

Well, when someone tells you "you SHOULD be proud of your country, you should be proud of yourself, we're all great, and THIS is what's causing the problems in this country" they're inclined to listen, especially when the other side calls em stupid and uneducated.

Then an entire media empire springs up echoing that exact same idea. You are great, your country is great, this other thing is the problem, 24 hours a day for 7 days a week, and it's an addictive thing. It soothes their ego, makes them feel like the future is bright, and makes them feel righteous in their love for their country.

It edits Trump's speeches, makes everything really easy to digest and understand for literally the lowest common denominator in the country, breaks everything down from the news into bite sized, easily digestible chunks, and has opinion pieces about both fun stuff and important stuff.

And now they've been listening to this media machine for 30 years and suddenly the people who called them stupid are freaking out about the person they like. They're not gonna get up off the couch.

[u/RadiantNefariousness → u/Hoovooloo42]

& they’re offering simple (yet incorrect) solutions to complex problems. it’s easier to blame others than to figure out how the government operates.

[u/Sminahin → u/RadiantNefariousness]

Worth noting that our side isn't even recognizing many of these problems and we're definitely not offering a vision on how to get out of 'em. Every time I read a Krugman piece in the NYT on why the economy is actually wonderful and people are wrong, I wanted to scream.

When one side offers a convenient, blame-filled narrative and the other has a bunch of Washington insiders speaking in politicianese who don't even seem to understand the assignment, well...makes it really easy for a snake-oil salesman to slide in.

[u/velian → u/Hoovooloo42]

I read a comment yesterday where somebody said “I don’t care, my team won” or something to that effect. These people don’t see this as anything more than a sports contest.

[u/FabulousValuable2643]

As someone who works in a group home for developmentally disabled adults whose only source of income is social security, this would effectively lead to their death. The cruelty of their fucking administration is unreal.

[u/Knightoncloudwine → u/FabulousValuable2643]

That’s the point. They won’t care. Evil Nazi regime

[u/EarthRester → u/Knightoncloudwine]

As someone who was born disabled and will die without Social Security.

I do not plan on going quietly. The MAGAts have killed civility, and now they're gonna kill me. Tell me, what do I owe them?

[u/Heizu → u/EarthRester]

They deserve the golden rule, obviously.

Do unto others as they would unto you.

[u/Gadshill]

Third rail of American politics being put under unconstitutional attack is just another day during the time of the Trumpster fires.

[u/CicadaGames → u/Gadshill]

Imagine being a Trump supporter and like literally masturbating to this shit because you are so excited that other citizens of your own country will have their lives ruined.

[u/Combdepot]

Conservatism is a terrorist ideology.

[u/lefargen97 → u/Combdepot]

The biggest threat to the health, happiness, and prosperity of Americans is the Republican Party.

[u/Acrobatic_Hamster686 → u/lefargen97]

The biggest threat to health, happiness, and prosperity of the entire planet is the US Republican Party.

[u/hurricaneRoo1 → u/Acrobatic_Hamster686]

RIP Democracy. You were a nice ideology in theory, but you didn’t take into account all the fucking morons of the world.

[u/things_U_choose_2_b → u/Acrobatic_Hamster686]

IIRC every global recession can be traced back directly to republican policy when they control two or more of congress, senate, president.

I dread to think what's coming down the tracks this time, now they have all three AND partial control of Supreme Court. The things they did with subprime mortgages to collapse world economy in '08? They're doing it again RIGHT NOW. Except this time it's being done more sneakily via private equity / variable rate loans to successful businesses. Ask yourself why successful businesses (Joanna, 97% of stores profitable) are bankrupting.

They're tying it to pensions this time because they know the public won't stand for the banks being bailed out again.

[u/Mike_Pences_Mother]

So... an UNELECTED, UNACCOUNTABLE, ILLEGAL FOREIGN BILLIONAIRE gets access to all of our data - or Dudek will shut it all down by locking out actual employees from the systems. Sounds right on par for these chucklefucks. Are they ready for the ensuing protests and potential violence that will occur when millions of retirees drive to DC?

[u/mouthygoddess]

“We’ll never touch social security or Medicare.” Add these to the “I’ll stop the wars in one day” pile.

[u/PluginAlong → u/mouthygoddess]

Don't forget egg prices.

[u/Perfect_Desk_2560]

This is actual terrorism

[u/spirit-mush → u/Perfect_Desk_2560]

Extortion

[u/Independent-Wave-744]

So, Trump is taking hostages now?

[u/thewhaleshark → u/Independent-Wave-744]

Now? The entire strategy has been to take hostages.

[u/[deleted]]

Thugs. Greedy Thugs.

[u/spirit-mush]

Americans are literally being extorted now by criminals who have infiltrated the white house. At some point, someone needs to step in and restore rule of law

[u/loulan → u/spirit-mush]

47% of Americans support that shit. Complete sociopaths.

[u/sedatedlife]

Upvote this Article everyone needs to this headline fucking with SSI like this will piss people off across the political spectrum.

[u/fizzlefist → u/sedatedlife]

Nothing’s gonna change until the retirees (a group that has voted right for decades) actually feel the consequences of their actions.

They’re going to break everything anyway, fuckin burn it all down now for maximum shock to the entire country and get it over with.

[u/Ferelar → u/fizzlefist]

This was true one election cycle ago. But with the pace that things are happening right now, the pace at which checks and balances are nakedly being dismantled, it doesn't matter if 100% of the retirees get mad and try to vote in 2026. Irreparable harm will have already been done (in many cases it already is done NOW), and by the midterms the very nature of voting in this country will likely have changed, if it even still exists.

Retirees won't save us now, no matter how much they come to their senses. Other methods are necessary.

[u/DDaddyDunk → u/Ferelar]

Yeah - we have four years of this... Seeing how slow the last impeachment went, with democrats in somewhat power, I can't imagine it going FASTER with republicans in charge of 2 branches.

[u/nofigsinwinter]

Threats, threats and more threats. That's some fucking textbook leadership, there.

[u/spamattacker]

 “As it stands, I will follow it exactly and terminate access by all SSA employees to our IT systems,” he said, adding: “Really, I want to turn it off and let the courts figure out how they want to run a federal agency.”

Clearly if he can't figure out how to run a federal agency without the court's help, he needs to be fired. The courts already told him Doge can't have the data and he is unable to follow that simple order .

Rehire his predecessor or find someone competent enough to at least follow previous procedures.

[u/dIO__OIb → u/spamattacker]

its all theatre. they're trying to make it seem like its 'broken' so they can blame others when they are stealing US citizens tax dollars.

[u/smr5578]

Trump's whole focus is to be king at a cost that will destroy AMERICA. He can then implement martial law. This way, he will have all the power of a dictator.

[u/Illustrious_Entry413 → u/smr5578]

This is the move that will bring on martial law.

[u/GrayPal184]

There it is. The obvious data theft part said out loud.

[u/BehaviorControlTech]

I have spent a lifetime paying into Social Security. They have twisted the word "entitlement" into a pejorative. We are entitled to it because it is our money. You want riots in the street? Keep pushing, they will come

[u/TopEagle4012]

I think Trump and the boys are tugging on Superman's cape, spitting into the wind, taking the mask off the old Lone Ranger and messing around with Veterans, Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid.

They may think they have the military but those veterans all have guns and know how to use them. And those other folks that won't have a home, food in their belly, medicine, or access to healthcare, they got nothing to left to lose either. The military ain't shit when you got 200+ million people pissed off with all the millions of guns that you got in this country. I'm not calling for Civil War but I sure hate to mess around and find out.

[u/eirinne → u/TopEagle4012]

Last week he took all my money, and it may sound funny

But I come to get my money back

[u/Public-Marionberry33]

If this administration stops Social Security, I will be one of many thousands to descend on DC to shutdown the country until we get what was promised us. I didn’t pay into SSA for over 50 years to have the wealthy steal what is mine.

Hundreds of thousands are protesting in the streets in Eastern Europe against their government and the same (or worse) will happen here if they go down this road.

[u/Bitter-Holiday1311]

MAGA are terrorists

[u/inthekeyofc]

Trump is one of the most dangerous enemies the US has faced - and he's aligned with Russia, its greatest adversary.

“America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we lose our freedoms it will be because we have destroyed ourselves from within”

– Abraham Lincoln.

[u/Lilutka]

Do it, Donold, do it. You will see how things are gonna work out when your FoxNews viewers don’t receive their monthly payment. 

[u/Thewall3333 → u/Lilutka]

They'll blame the judge. If they haven't seen through the bullshit yet ...

[u/NerdimusSupreme]

That just creates a population of people with nothing to lose and screws younger working people who are then forced to take in parents.

Even if they took the entire country of El Salvador and turned itno a giant black site gulag there is not enough space.

[u/Rambler330]

For everyone’s information this is the biggest stockpile of highly accurate information on individuals in the free world. This is the Pot of Gold at the end of the Rainbow. DOGE will suck this up the MuskRat will become the largest data broker ever.

The Social Security Administration (SSA) maintains a variety of personal and financial data on individuals for the purpose of administering Social Security benefits and related programs. This includes:

1.  Personal Identification Information
• Full name
• Social Security Number (SSN)
• Date and place of birth
• Citizenship status
• Parents’ names (from birth records)

2.  Employment and Earnings History
• Records of earnings reported by employers
• Self-employment income
• Employer names and details
• Work credits accumulated for Social Security benefits

3.  Social Security Benefits Information
• Record of applications for benefits (retirement, disability, survivors, Medicare, Supplemental Security Income)
• Benefit amounts received
• Payment history
• Disability determinations, including medical records and vocational assessments

4.  Medical Records (for Disability Claims)
• Doctor and hospital reports
• Treatment history
• Functional capacity evaluations
• Consultative examinations

5.  Tax and Financial Data
• Wages and tax contributions (FICA and SECA taxes)
• IRS-reported income related to Social Security benefits
• Bank account details (if benefits are direct-deposited)

6.  Military Service Records (if applicable)
• Dates of military service
• Type of discharge

7.  Marital and Family Information
• Marriage records
• Divorce decrees (if benefits are claimed based on a former spouse)
• Dependents’ information (for survivor or dependent benefits)

8.  Immigration and Work Authorization Status (for non-U.S. citizens)
• Green card or visa status
• Work authorization history

9.  Death Records
• Date and place of death (reported by family, funeral homes, or other sources)

This information is used to determine eligibility, calculate benefit amounts, prevent fraud, and maintain records of contributions and payments. Access to Social Security records is restricted and protected under privacy laws.

[u/corneridea]

Jesus Christ, THIS is terrorism. Fuck these assholes.

[u/wonkalicious808]

OK. Stop bitching and do it then.

Jesus fucking Christ can't all of his pathetic yes men just break and tell him that no one is impressed by his dumbass temper tantrums and impotent threats? And also that whoever does his spray tan clearly doesn't respect him enough to not make him look like an orange clown that rushed out of the house? He has all that money and can't afford a better spray tan? What the fuck. Spray tan all day long if that's what you want, but do a good enough job that it's not cartoonishly bad.

Imagine how much better the country would be if Republicans just stopped sucking so badly.

[u/Crazy_Donkies]

They'll just blame the judge.  "The liberal evil judge is keeping us from doing our job so all payments are stopped until the judge let's us review payments and people. This is what the liberals want.  They hate Musk and DOGE so much they'll stop your social security"  -acting SSA dickhead.

[u/sedatedlife]

They do this it will be the end of the Republican party the only way to remain in control would be through violence against the American people.

[u/eri- → u/sedatedlife]

You'll have a civil war on your hands the minute this system seizes to function.

There will be tons of people who have nothing left to lose after this happens anyway, they will not go quietly.

Not quite sure how exactly Elon in particular thinks he isn't a dead man walking should this play out.

[u/chaotic4059 → u/eri-]

Yea there’s a reason the saying is “society is only three meals away from collapse.” People with nothing to lose, no way to house or feed themselves and an almost certainty of suffering medical debt or death very quickly turns otherwise passive people into monsters. And there’s no recompense for that. It quickly goes to “I have nothing left to live for and I’m gonna make that EVERYONE’S PROBLEM”

[u/PM_ME_YOUR_ROTES → u/chaotic4059]

They're actively attempting to create civil unrest while looking like they didn't create the unrest. Though only the cultists are really snowed by it while many of them also want the unrest. Horrible people. Don't let them know where you stash your bottlecaps or borrow your gardening tools, they won't return them. Thieving liars to the last.

[u/Healthy_Jackfruit_88]

You saw what happened in France when they raised the age for them to collect pensions. Imagine what would happen here if you attempt to stop social security. Just try it.

[u/Comfortable-Web9455 → u/[deleted]]

What makes you think they don't want violence? That's how they get to declare martial law and cancel any further elections.

[u/Healthy_Jackfruit_88 → u/[deleted]]

All those boomers finally have something to lose.

[u/OnDrugsTonight]

"IF we're not allowed to do illegal shit your granny's gonna die" may not be the flex that they think it is. And I can't see a judge taking very kindly to that kind of extortion - especially since there is nothing in the judge's order that would require them to stop payments. Calling their bluff on that one seems to be a no-brainer. Make them do it and let them face the fallout from it. Switching off Social Security payments is widely agreed to be a major red line from which everything will go downhill pretty damn quickly, so it'd be interesting to see if they have the courage of their conviction to actually go through with it. I don't think they will. Sure, Trump and Musk might be flying high on narcissism and/or ketamine right now, but at least some Republican lawmakers still have a bit of survival instinct left to see that if they stand by and let the White House outright kill their constituents, things might get ugly for them, regardless of how many millions Musk spends on the next election.

[u/taxman6754 → u/OnDrugsTonight]

Please name 2 Republican lawmakers who will do anything about it. Thank you

[u/onlyblackcoffee]

Shut it down then. People have got to stop caving in because it’s going to continue happening. This has to happen so people get angry enough to do something.

[u/fp1480]

MAGA supporters are in the find out phase now and pretty soon all politicians will be in that phase too. Keep messing with Americans

[u/TrickleUp_]

Ending social security would be the permanent end of the Republican party. Not exaggeration or hyperbole.

[u/TintedApostle]

The amount of blood on republican hands is growing. I say the judge should enforce the ruling. Stop placating the fascists.

[u/Frognaros]

call it the Musk Administration.

He didn't pay $300 million to Trump for nothing.

[u/oct2790]

They are going to mess with the wrong people it’s coming in the worst way

[u/Saucy_Baconator]

A federal judge told DOGE they can't have the data. So this is akin to someone going to court, losing, and then threatening to take hostages. Every day is a new Constitutional crisis.

[u/Illuminated12]

Do it! I dare you. Easy way to get Republicans and you base to turn against you hardcore.

[u/ChampionEither5412]

No one's going to stop them. There are no legal ways of fighting back and they'll throw anyone who fights back in any meaningful way in jail.

I work with people with intellectual and developmental disabilities. Some people with IDD can get a job at the grocery store, but a lot of them have both intellectual and physical disabilities and there are simply no jobs that they can do, so they rely entirely on SSI.

They need PCAs to take care of them, which Medicaid pays for. They have lots of medical care, which again, Medicaid pays for.

Shutting down social security means these people will not be able to have PCAs to toilet them, bathe them, dress them, feed them, or do anything to make their lives enjoyable. What are they supposed to do? Many of them are quadriplegics with intellectual disabilities. They will lose their homes and their care and they will die.

Which, and here's the thing: Republicans don't like disabled people and would be very happy to get rid of us. If you can't work a high paying job, they hate you.

Even though shutting down social security would be devastating, I don't see how we're going to save it unless something that drastic happens.

[u/hm_b]

I just started collecting SS, and finally have affordable Medicare. I hate this threat. Even if SS is not stopped, it's threatened to be choked until it implodes. Maybe the elite would like to turn us into Ari Astor's Midsommar. When we get old and are voluntold to commit suicide as part of the circle of life ritual. $$ problem solved.

[u/Im_Ashe_Man]

Republicans are literal Domestic Terrorists.

[u/Fluff859]

Watch them close it but keep taking the money from our paychecks

[u/WhosSarahKayacombsen]

The hatred this man has for his own supporters should be studied.

[u/deltadal]

touch it... J6 would look like a grade school tour.

[u/SadLeek9950]

We we're warned; multiple times.

[u/oct2790]

Trump won’t last four years

[u/GrumpyOldDad65]

Well, if Turd wanted a revolution, that'd surely do it.

[u/The_Starving_Autist]

Quick, Schumer, give them everything they want!

[u/foo-bar-25]

Please, please, I tripple dog dare you.