r/politics • u/sweatycat New York • 20h ago

California to Negotiate Trade With Other Countries to Bypass Trump Tariffs

https://www.newsweek.com/california-newsom-trade-trump-tariffs-2055414
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u/PowerResponsibility 19h ago

This is literally it. He's just doing what Putin is telling him to do. The point is to destroy the United States, all of it.

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u/JohnnySnark Florida 19h ago

Well, all of the Americas too. Russia needs a weaker Canada and Mexico for their ultimate goals

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u/Moon_whisper 18h ago

Canada and Mexico aren't weaker though. Everybody is just making new partners, better and stronger alliances and USA is going to be left on the sidelines like an aged hooker.

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u/Clerence69 17h ago

"Like an aged hooker", beautifully put

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u/Moon_whisper 17h ago

She sold herself so often, she is pretty cheap and desperate now. And the world isn't going to want her. Other countries sell oranges, bananas, grapes, etc. California isn't needed. World is going electric. Other countries can sell meat, don't need Texas. Bonus, growth hormone free meat.

Gambling? Dubai is pretty spectacular. For a lot of the world, it is cheaper to travel to. Technology? Japan, China, South Korea are kicking butt in those areas.

USA isn't needed. And honestly, if Trump government was gone tomorrow, USA is still an aged hooker. Just way to insane and unstable to trust. The American people wanted this government, want the death of democracy, the death of freedom, the death of liberty, the stripping of human rights. The Natzis and fascists are out in droves.

The people who swore to protect liberty & freedom for all, democracy and the costitution have done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in the face of fascism and the blatent gutting of all the ideologies USA pretends to stand for.

The American people cannot be trusted. Will not be trusted again anytime soon.

There is literally nothing the USA can offer the world that will be trusted or even wanted. For all intents and purposes, USA is done, finish, and not a super power.

A government for the people, by the people...not a good reflection on the type of people there. While the world recognizes not all people in the USA are like that, there is enough like that to make it happen.

Most of the world doesn't want, or need, to do business with people that low on morals or so devoid of humanity.

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u/joshdoereddit 17h ago

Aged hooker with syphilis. Hence, the insanity.

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u/4scorean 12h ago

Unfortunately alot of what your saying is true !!!
It seems my government has really shit the bed this time !!! & for that I apologize to the world at large. We the people doesn't reflect a majority of the people here, as a matter of fact we can lay the blame at the door of maga & the GOP for the whole lot. They treat this like a poker game, they've gone all in on a bad hand & probably will pull the fire alarm & when everyone leaves they'll grab everything they can. More is the pity !!! The GOP politicians are the only ones who who can right our ship, however they'll need to grow some balls to do what's right. Unfortunatly I don't see a path to that happening anytime soon!!! When the time comes PLEASE find it in your hearts to forgive us (but don't trust us)❗️

DJT=💩4🧠&🚫🫀

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u/Front-Style1532 4h ago

Keep telling yourself that. It won’t make your stupid country any better.

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u/paraknowya 14h ago

I remember the description „the US is a 3rd world country with a gucci belt“ so I guess that fits? lol

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u/Purple-Revolution-88 13h ago

We're not hooker though, we're the John.

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u/JohnnySnark Florida 17h ago

Canada and Mexico having to scramble with the world economy makes them weaker right now.

The whole west is weaker now because of trump's moves. Yes, other countries will find other new allies and drop the US but that doesn't stop the trump admin selectively attacking these former allies with not just more economic wars via sanctions but also military actions.

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u/Moon_whisper 17h ago

Dude, Europe is already preparing for war. Most countries are back to everybody doing military service. Germany auto makers are already making military vehicles.

China can supply the world on military good while old factories are being upgraded. It will not take as long as you might think to get up to par.

The world has done it multiple times. They are well aware and not biting their nails in fear at the loss of the traitors.

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u/JohnnySnark Florida 17h ago

You're all over the place here. Acting like this is no big deal? I don't know what your argument is but to not fear another world war is pretty dumb.

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u/Moon_whisper 17h ago

Dude, I am in Europe right now. Highschools have gun practice. Poland is teaching weapons to everyone over 13. Stop watching fox news. Lol

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u/JohnnySnark Florida 17h ago

Still don't know what your point is. None of what I'm saying you will find on fox news.

I am in no way backing trump.

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u/Adams5thaccount 16h ago

Their point is they're be owing stronger in opposition to your argument that they're becoming weaker.

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u/GreenCoffeePlease 15h ago

Yeah a hooker like Tralala in the book and movie The Last Exit to Brooklyn.

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u/GreenCoffeePlease 14h ago

Correction: the book title is “Writers in Revolt”, and the author of one story of Tralala is Hubert Selby. My bad.

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u/PizzaWhole9323 14h ago

I was thinking along your lines but more like the old lady who shows up to the bar every night and party clothes, even though her party days are long behind her. Think the Copacabana by Barry manilow.

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u/Moon_whisper 14h ago

Her name was Lola, She was a showgirl

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u/Purple-Revolution-88 13h ago

You're so wrong. There is no other customer anyway that even comes close to the volume of products the US buys. If we were selling to them, yeah, they could go elsewhere. But we are literally the main buyers of almost everything. If they wanted to cut us out, they would have to take a truly massive pay cut. Massive. It'd be like every business losing their best customers all at once.

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u/Moon_whisper 12h ago

USA just ordered first. Kind of like when you go to a restaurant. Unless you are there early or have a reservation, you are SOL. But the USA's stanfing reservation has been canceled...by the USA.

Best customer doesn't equal only customer. USA is the diva insta-influencer who thinks they are more important than they are. But like an insta-influencer, USA is going very quickly find they are not that special, not that good, not the status symbol they think they are, and kinda obsolete. Like Tesla.

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u/Purple-Revolution-88 12h ago

No, my friend. It's like if you lose your best, most reliable restaurant customer and all you have left is the next 10 customers who all have less money and always order less and cheaper food. If you sell stuff, anything, you ignore the biggest and richest customers at your own peril.

I do NOT agree with what Trump is doing in the slightest. I freaking despise him. But walking away from the biggest potential customer is not something most goods-providers are looking to do.

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u/Moon_whisper 12h ago

Keep telling yourself that. Whatever helps you believe your country will bounce back unaffected.

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u/Purple-Revolution-88 12h ago

You're not worried about me or us, you're just worried about yourself. You're here attacking the Americans who are actually on your side. If you alienate us, it really is over.

You have no concern for my country. You're just looking to preserve yourself.

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u/Moon_whisper 12h ago

Your country is beyond saving. It isn't just the current government, it is the mindset of the people who voted in that government and those who still agree with the stripping of human rights, the human trafficking, the murdering of democracy.

Nobody can save you from yourself. Nobody can save your country from itself. That is something your country needs to do internally.

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u/Front-Style1532 5h ago

We will take over Canada soon enough. 51st state

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u/Moon_whisper 2h ago

You will have a civil war with California trying to defect and bypass your federal government (tariffs, trying to make international deal that directly defy and oppose your government's federal decisions). Given that they are the first state to stand up, but won't be the last, your country has bigger internal issues to panic about.

Keep praising your fascist cheeto.

Your country actually thinks they are respected??? You need to be respectable in order to be respected.

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u/_WhatShouldIDo_ 10h ago

This is it exactly. I've been saying it for weeks now

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u/Jungle_gym11 17h ago

What are Russia's ultimate goals?

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u/JohnnySnark Florida 16h ago

Destabilize the west and reform their previous USSR borders

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u/staunch_character 16h ago

Yup. Same goals they’ve had for generations.

Russia is always playing the long game. Same with China. They don’t care about the next 4 years or an election cycle. They want what’s best for their empires 100 years from now (regardless of how much their people suffer to get there).

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u/easewiththecheese 14h ago

What are Russia's ultimate goals? Also, is Drumpf placing tariffs on goods from all countries except Russia?

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u/JohnnySnark Florida 14h ago

Destroy democracy and the western world. They are exempt from tarrifs

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u/04FS 13h ago

No. Putin needs you guys out of the way. Brexit. Ukraine. Fox fuckin news. Trump and his clown car of an administration are destroying your country from the inside. How could you not see this coming?

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u/retze44 18h ago

Make it cheap so oligarchs can get the fuck out of russia and buy all the assets cheap. Better learn russian :)

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u/77NorthCambridge 18h ago

All they have to do is pay Trump $5 million to become American citizens, sanctions no longer apply, and they can freely travel to the US.

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u/PenaltyDesperate3706 18h ago

Next scene is trump picking up an additional fight with the EU re unfreezing Russian oligarchs’ assets for a 25% commission

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u/77NorthCambridge 18h ago

You mean like putting "tariffs" on Canada to justify buying Russian potash?

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u/PenaltyDesperate3706 18h ago

Nope. I mean making the EU banking institutions give back whatever they have on frozen Russian assets so the oligarchs can bring those funds to “invest” in the US.

If I were Canada, I would set an export tax on sales of Canadian potash to the US “because all Canadians are in this together”

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u/SpiritOf1968 17h ago

Krasnov Language Academy

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u/No_Consequence7919 New York 7h ago

Trump has no worries. He will just become another one of Putin's oligarchs.

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u/Remote_Temperature 7h ago

Are you that much of a simp, just roll over for the Russians ? pathetic.

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u/retze44 4h ago

Im East german and have my own little thing with the Russians :) Im just glad there is a fat ocean between me and the US

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u/suckyousideways 17h ago

Putin figured it out: you don't HAVE to bomb a country or send war planes etc., and wreck everything, and risk retaliation... You can put the right stooge in power and he'll just hand it over, almost fully intact.

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u/DrZaious 18h ago

Read the grievances listed in the Declaration of Independence, it's like Putin told Trump to do those things. Which is probably why Trump wanted the DOI on display in the oval.

Putin openly thinks that democracy is a sham. If you know anything about Putin, he would get off on destroying America using the same methods which inspired it's sovereignty.

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u/Unique-Coffee5087 17h ago

And disrupt the Alliances.

That part, at least, won't work as much as Putin thinks it will. Unlike the top down structure of the old Warsaw Pact, The Western alliances are made up of independent nations who can think for themselves and formulate their own policies. For that matter, right now Canada is working on building an entirely independent kind of association, now that the United States has abdicated its role as leader. Similarly, a trade alliance is forming in Asia that excludes the United States.

Putin naturally thinks that the loss of the United States will lead to the disorganization and demoralization of other members of the economic, diplomatic, and military alliances that have unified the free world. It is fortunate that his outlook is so incorrect.

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u/MolitovMichellex United Kingdom 16h ago

Given how America treats the rest of the world and the damage this all caused and will cause in future, is it a bad thing?

Fuck Russia, and most certainly fuck America

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u/voicelesswonder53 18h ago

Aligns with his confederate army of supporters in that case...

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u/Educated_Goat69 17h ago

Putin and The Heritage Foundation.

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u/quats555 14h ago

Here’s the sad thing: I don’t think he even necessarily thinks he’s doing Putin’s bidding. Putin just tells him that doing x, y, and z will definitely make him look like a strong leader, and the nerve of country E, they are clearly looking down on you, you’d better do something about that!

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u/PowerResponsibility 14h ago

Indeed, nailed it

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u/Schadrach West Virginia 17h ago

Oh, now. That's not true.

Sometimes he does what Musk tells him to do, too. It's not just what Putin tells him.

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u/ChickenAndTelephone 17h ago

I don't know this for sure, but my gut tells me that he's merely a Russian asset, not actually a Russian agent. That is, they've cultivated someone who will generally do the sorts of things that they'd like the President of the US to do, but he's not actually on their payroll and following orders from Moscow. Destructive and evil either way, of course.

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u/PalpatineForEmperor 17h ago

I really think he wants the US to breakup like the USSR. The Russians are still sore over than, and they want the same thing to happen in to The US.

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u/SeaworthinessSad7300 16h ago

Putang has to have paid him a lot of money into a secret bank account. Or have some type of incriminating evidence. Otherwise I just don't understand why he is Putin's lapdog

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u/HyperbenCharities 15h ago

And Trump believes it is all HIS IDEA. Like Inception - he feels he is in control. He is a zombie.

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u/Bsteph21 14h ago

There's more to it than just Putin. Look up Peter Theil, The Heritage Foundation, Peter Navarro, and Curtis Yarvin

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u/04FS 13h ago

Totally. Australia calling. What are you going to do about it? Has it not been enough of a clusterfuck yet?

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u/jjhope2019 3h ago

I think the larger aim here is to destroy the world market, drive up prices across the globe and then sit back and watch democracies being overthrown by their own selfish citizens. I hope it doesn’t come to that but I’m sure that’s one of the end goals here.

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u/nicuramar 18h ago

It’s nice speculation, but I don’t agree. His goal isn’t to destroy the country, even though he seems to be doing it, maybe due to incompetence. 

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u/An_old_walrus 17h ago

Especially since I don’t know how Russia benefits from a second Great Depression, the oligarchs are already on thin ice and Russia still has a lot of money in foreign business so all that crashing is a bad idea.

Also let’s compare to what happened in the 1930s. German economy was on the floor so Hitler and the Nazis rebuilt the economy and used Jews as a convenient scapegoat for the previous bad economy. While yes the economy Hitler wasn’t that great objectively and was built so that it could only function in the inevitable conquest that Germany would undertake but compared to before? Like night and day. Hitler used the goodwill from fixing the economy to garner more support. What Trump is doing is sort of a reverse Hitler where instead of fixing a bad economy he broke a good one. He probably thinks his supporters are numerous enough and blindly loyal enough to shield him from consequences but I believe every person has a breaking point and Trump’s followers will likely reach theirs. Also his own fellow Republican politicians are freaking out about this and they probably aren’t supporting him for long. When the Depression happened it caused a massive shift in world wide politics with every leader/party who was in charge at the beginning being replaced by the end. History will likely repeat itself.