It honestly blew my mind during the Republican primaries in 2016. At first Trump running seemed like a joke that would blow over quickly and then people kept voting for him. And now here we are.
Obviously not people like you who have their minds already made up so no amount of evidence will change their opinion. Also, 90% of conservatives do not "LOVE" him.
I would consider myself a conservative yes. I agree with a lot of points the American conservatives make, but I do think Trump should be gone. He generally is in my opinion a douchebag who doesn't deserve to be a president. I'd rather have him gone and have someone like Candace Owens replace him. She has in my opinion a lot of potential and a lot of conservatives agree as well. The only conservative people that are actually still supportive of Trump according to my knowledge are the T_D people and most mainstream conservatives like Steven Crowder and Ben Shapiro and some of their followers. We are kinda done with Drumpf tbh.
Are you joking when you say Candace Owens? Because from what I’ve seen of her, she seems no better than T_D people. She denies factual data (ie climate change) and goes on the same rants about how Democrats are evil because they were the party that opposed Lincoln in the 1800s and how liberals are the real racists because they want to control black people through welfare. No short she’s no different than the toxic “liberals and Democrats hate America” breed that supported the rise of Trump.
Could you give me correct sources of where she says it? If that is seriously whayt she said with that context then I will reject my statement of liking Candace Owens
I don't have her statements saved anywhere but after scrolling through her twitter for a few seconds I found this. She's made more "pointed" remarks in past speeches and interviews about how supposedly Democrats want to enslave black people. Her whole talking point is "Blexit" which is based on that notion about Dems.
This video contains clips from her Joe Rogan interview and is where I really lost all respect for her. Apparently climatologists can't be trusted because they get paid to work but studies funded by fossil fuel companies are just fine.
There are more videos detailing her foolishness like this. She clearly has no idea what she's talking about. She often talks about "globalism" without even knowing what the term means and equates liberals/Democrats with socialists in the same way right-wing fear mongers and T_D people do.
Trump has 90+ percent approval rating among republican voters. It’s not just “t_d” people that are still supportive of him, it’s damn near everyone in the party.
Well I said most not all. This doesn't change the fact that most still support him. I am happy you are one of the good ones, but I have no clue where you get this idea that most Republicans are done with him. It simply isn't true.
55% of Republicans who use Fox News as a primary news source say there is nothing he could do to lose their support (compared to 29% who don't use Fox so there's a big pointer there).
A poster below me quoted 91% and I can't find the source for that but most sources I found say the party as a whole is hovering between 85-90% support.
I always have trouble with these kind of numbers. Like these kind of numbers can never be accurate cause not everyone can participate in this. Also the fact remains that there is no total number of people used in this research. It could be 100, 100.000 or anything else. I wasn't asked for this research and yet they act like everyone was asked. It is pretty common for Fox News to ramp up some bullshit numbers. It wouldn't be the first time they did it. One of the reasons I don't like them.
To represent a large sample you just need 1000 people -- after that, getting more subjects doesn't really make a difference. This is demonstrated by the consistency between sources while all using small, different samples. So I wouldn't really expect anyone to ask you, but that's beside the point. There are still problems with polling.
I don't mind your inclination to question these things. I always take polling with a grain of salt. There are many factors at play. A big one being that polling companies begin by attempting to judge the electorate's demographics -- who will be voting by age, gender, region etc. So if there is anything here they forget to account for polls can be way off. And of course, there is the simple fact that media bias exists everywhere else, and it is naive to thing it would end at the polls.
In this case though, I'm not sure. Trust me, I want these numbers to be false as much as you do. I definitely didn't go to Fox News for this, and I don't see why any of my sources would have fudged them in Trump's favor. I mean I guess you could say it "makes conservatives look bad" or whatever, really, all everyone on the left wants to see is that Republican support % DROP, we don't care how bad you look. So if there's any fudging you'd think it would be down.
I am always skeptical about polling. Polling is more based on a general consensus between the average people and not aimed at how the individual may react to something if that makes sense to you. I am definitely curious to look more in depth into this though.
Media bias will always be a thing though so that's why checking multiple sources is the best thing. I assumed you looked at a fox news story and called it a day. My bad, sorry about that.
"We're not all shit because you can't survey all of us."
It takes about 1000 to be an accurate samples size of a large demographic. Fox News isn't exactly some obscure network. It's the most mainstream right wing network by viewership and it's been directly propped up as the only credible mainstream source by Republicans (notably Trump) multiple times.
I always have trouble with these kind of numbers. Like these kind of numbers can never be accurate cause not everyone can participate in this.
I'm having a hard time parsing this. Are you saying that you don't trust polling, because the sample doesn't talk to literally everyone? If so, then you are basically rejecting all of statistics.
I never said I reject polling, but still I have a hard time with these numers always. Sometimes they are completely right and sometimes completely wrong.
I can't begin to imagine how you determine which are right and which are wrong. Why do you "have a hard time with these numbers"? Is it because the numbers don't match what you personally believe?
Oh not at all. That's just being stubborn and ignorant. Also I never tell myself they are right or wrong. Generally most of the time polls are somewhat true and give a correct angle at a subject, but not always. I always have a small doubt about it wheter it fits my political views or not.
Honestly if he got impeached it would make my life a lot easier for me when the election rolls around. We could have a nominee for president who actually is fit for office and I'd feel comfortable voting for. Right now as it is I'm faced with either voting for a party that I disagree with on most points, or voting for a president I find unfit for office and completely reprehensible, or throwing my vote away for a third party candidate. But, I'm guessing the liberals would just delay the impeachment process till the last possible second to ensure that they win in 2020.
My stance on this is pretty simple. In general you vote for the party, not for its leader. If you vote for a party because of its leader that just makes you ignorant. Go for the political party you most agree with!
Oh, I mean vote along congressional/etc. lines however you want. The President though, as an individual, is where I think you need to vote on the man, not the party.
That's what happens when you divide everyone into two groups. As you said, it's not that all conservatives support Trump, it's that they just won't support anyone from the left. The group divide in the USA is ridiculous. If someone agrees with points from one side its like they are now stuck in that whole group.
Conservative prepared to impeach Trump. His administration and those involved in it are corrupt and horrible. Though honestly my views on politics within conservative groups are rather strange.
Not that I’m against the impeachment, but I like how you just assume if someone disagrees with impeachment they’re automatically against left candidates
It's pretty safe to assume. Because Trump has literally repeatedly broken the law. There is no reason to be against impeachment unless you're a hardcore conservative. You act like this is a leap but its a safe assumption. Come up with an actual argument
Oh my god you're annoying. If it were up to me the Clintons would be in jail too, fuck off. Didn't this argument start with me being accused of assuming things? Jfc.
No, my argument would be that they're hardcore neoliberals which is totally fucking true, moron. You've called me a retard for as many sentences as I've even typed. Calm down. You're projecting pretty hard buddy.
Hahahaha, this is the best reply I've ever gotten in an argument. You literally had nothing to say because you know you were being dumb but you had already gotten really mad at me so you had to stick to your guns. Classic.
I'm a conservative and unequivocally believe that trump should be impeached. I also don't believe conservative is the most accurate term for the man or his party, nor the people who vote for them.
I'm not in America so I couldn't say. I can tell you from the outside looking in the democrats look like the conservatives while the republicans largely look like right wing extremists rather than conservatives. They don't even seem to have many conservative policies.
For sure. Yeah I’m talking about republicans basically. I think this post in general was geared at American conservatives, so generally probably not aimed at you
That'd probably fair, it just irks me when people say conservative but mean republicans. I agree with the guy you replied to that this is not a conservative problem, it is an alt-right one.
While I do understand that, and I'm in no way trying to blame you, I do feel that more clarity in the meaning of political terms overall causes more useful discussion. For example in America it seems that liberal, socialist, and conservative are all dirty words to at least some people. It just feels like we've all got to start communicating better with eachother in terms of politics, and it's got to start somewhere.
I'm not trying to pressure you to use the word republican instead of conservative when speaking about the GOP, and I do know it is common parlance in America. I just think we can do better to achieve effective and agreeable solutions if we have less exclusive discussion and bring people together (on an international front because there are similar issues everywhere, not a blame America game)
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u/ganjanoob Oct 26 '19
It isn't conservatives, it's alt right motherfuckers who belong back in the 1800s back when 'America was great'