They are not morons. They know exactly what they are doing and choose to do it. They are not fools, they are just evil people who choose to do evil things. Most of them actually like it because hurting people and controlling them makes them feel powerful.
And this is another reason why free and fair elections will not happen again. All these people from Trump on down are breaking the law. They know if Dems get back in they will have to answer for it.
Maybe because Biden was a senile puppet. Don’t fall for the hype. Dems are not looking out for you. It’s a scam. Republicans are not looking out for you. Don’t depend on government to take care of you.
Thanks, Putin, for trying to convince us there's no difference between Democrats and Republicans. That might have fooled a couple people last year. This year, we're onto you.
There is a difference between them. Rs want to turn the country into a theocratic monarchy while the Ds would like to keep it a republic.
Make no mistake the Ds are better, but expecting them to actually do something is wishful thinking. Not holding traitors accountable in this country goes back to the Civil War.
I think it’s an issue you can’t call out Democrats for their feckless ways without someone screaming “Russian bot.”
You’re telling me you’re all absolutely fine with Chuck Schumer falling in line with the GOP? You’re cool with Pelosi shitting on AOC and getting an elderly cancer patient a position on the oversight committee? These corporate owned corpses aren’t on our side any more than any Republican cunt in power.
Looks at the current Democratic leadership and their actions over the past decade and a half while Republicans ran and continue to run roughshod over the constitution, sees them continuously do nothing about it, then calls a commenter "Putin" for pointing out that the Democrats literally do nothing but try to make amends with people that hate their guts.
Any time the Democratic base or progressives in the party try to enact change for the better, the Democrats rally their donors to run them out of town. I could name names, but it would be pointless to do so since you likely wouldn't listen any way.
You and the rest of the Democratic establishment need a wake-up call buddy.
I lost faith in the Dems when they failed to overturn the PATRIOT Act. Edward Snowden destroyed his own life so all of us could know about the government’s illegal mass surveillance of all of us. And what have the Dems done, other than expand those surveillance powers? The Dems are controlled opposition.
It's an important distinction but you have to think three dimensionally. I've seen plenty of people say the real fight isn't right vs left it's top vs bottom.
If, by "Democrat," you mean "everyone registered as D, voting D, or just opposed to R" than both sides are absolutely not the same.
If you mean the DNC itself – including the majority of elected/electable Democrats (especially at the federal level) – and power players who are associated with the party than, yes, both sides are basically the same.
People in charge will rarely create precedent for holding people in charge accountable. It could backfire on them. The party has made some unforgivable mistakes that allow Trump/MAGA/Republicans to get stronger, take more ground. But also maybe they weren't exactly mistakes.
The further up the line of money and power you go, the less room there is between the sides. But when you only have two parties and every possible political stance has to be shoehorned into one or the other, of course there's considerable diversity in the ranks. Especially, it seems, among the Democrats. Which is partly why the party is misperceived as weak.
If this isn't true, explain why Garland did essentially nothing over the last four years? Explain why Democrats work with Republicans in Congress to suppress reports of sexual misconduct? Explain a NYT headline from 2016 about big money Dems who said they'd "have to" support Trump if Bernie won the nomination. The system is rigged so only the most compromised and questionable people will get near the top. Exceptions are rare.
I do think that after 12 years of denying them, the Dems are going to have a hard time putting a lid on the anti establishment fury which is now at a fever pitch.
Bold of you to hope the current regime will ever cede power. My bets are, full fascism, full revolutionary war, and/or collapse (collapse is imminent, just a matter if how delayed).
Sadly I must concur. When they deferred his punishments I thought this is a loss you will regret. They were shit scared of the GOP starting a civil war.
Now they will get it with the wanna be king ordering it.
I can't wait for Charles to CANCEL his state visit.
Because that's the kind of stuff that, believe it or not,
get him in the mind like a kick in the balls.
He'd spends X sleepless nights over it not to be seated next to a real king in his real castle.
The party that continues to embrace moneyed interests? Dems have been an arm of corporate interests for decades now, the only thing they’d bring to the table would be status quo.
Breaking the law? You retarded too? Millions of people poured in the border illegally. Illegally, say it again illegally, against the law. Ask yourselves why Democrats needed a 100 billion dollar bill, of which 20 billion was going to border. Trump stopped it all with a PEN. 🤔
What they need that other 80 billion for? May get huge surprises when the arrests start , it takes time 😁
Just like the "agents" that were wearing masks while taking them on & off the deportation flights, we need to punish rank & file feds that are "just following these (unlawful) orders."
Yeah but as the above posts (rightly) suggests, a few of these Boogeymen get smoked that will cool the rest out. OR force them to actually follow due process. Standing orders for all citizens should be, masked men approach? Shoot first ask questions later.
The choice is a shit choice in the first place, so there is no right answer. You have to decide what you would rather suffer. One option is to let them take you and end up kidnapped by criminals, or kidnapped by government agents and end up in a concentration camp style foreign prison, or be disappeared, or maybe getting really lucky and getting let go after being physically and possibly sexually assaulted and having your life ruined. The other option is to fight back and likely be executed on the spot, or viciously beaten and then have all the bad things from the other option happen anyways. The first gives you a small chance at an outcome that is only a little bad, while the second accepts that the worst is probably going to happen and at least let's you hurt the evil people that have decided to hurt you. Whole thing is just fucked.
Yea, but it isn't a realistic possibility. The first thing they will do is start pointing rifles at people before ever approaching them or identifying themselves and shooting people if they move even slightly during the approach. And that will stop pretty much everyone from defending themselves.
As it should be. It's the only way to protect yourself from kidnappers. Not only that but start a Community Watch group. Thugs HATE going into neighborhoods where they watch out for each other.
Legally, you'd be well within your rights because these fascists don't take out their badges until you are in cuffs, which is definitely against the law.
Same here. I mean what's the alternative? Spending the rest of my life in a dark cell, being fe a peice of bread every day with no sunlight and nothing but the screams of other inmates for sound? Yeah, I'm going out fighting.
It's a catch 22. Get arrested and don't resist, possibly get deported or jailed with no due process. Shoot and defend yourself, get hit by a Republican judge hard for killing "American heroes"
No chance you actually fear this. Do you see mass round ups of innocent people? And btw, entering, living, maaaaybe working in a country without permission is illegal. So if it’s illegal, you might get deported. I hope you are not actually panicked about this
That is what republican voters knowingly and intentionally voted for. Republicans are evil people that want evil things. No real way to argue otherwise when they are throwing nazi salutes on national TV and kidnapping legal residents and sending people to torture camps based on skin color.
The crazy part is that these brave people are merely protesting a foreign country that is committing heinous war crimes. The US is destroying the constitution to protect another country committing war crimes.
Yes, they will propably outnumber and outgun you, so the notion that you can "just shoot them" is a naive fiction. Also, they are not going to warn you, but will jumping you at some random moment where you dont expect it and you will be handcuffed before you have time to react.
This is not an action movie where the hero can just fight 10 bad guys and win at any time.
Dude, people already understand that. Very few people are thinking they are going to draw on 10 cops and come out on top. People are just tired of being oppressed and some prefer the idea that maybe they can get a couple of shots off and maybe kill a facist or two before they die, rather than let them kidnap you and send you to a prison to be tortured without any trial, evidence, or even allegations of any crime.
Start rounding up innocent Americans and watch what happens throughout the country. The protests will be so huge throughout every state and the media coverage so extensive that even the Republicans won't be able to avoid the fallout. Numerous Federal injunctions and lawsuits would flood the system as a violation of First Amendment rights would proliferate throughout the courts. Americans are not sheep facing the "Brown Shirts" without resistance, they would fight back with their lives. If it ever got as bad as Reich predicts, we would see a civil war.
Dude, they have been taking innocent Americans and there have been protests, and the media is helping the government downplay it. Americans are barely fighting back at all.
Guess we better just bend over for the illegal authoritarian regime. They’re scary and they have guns after all. It’s the sensible thing to do. It’s how this country was founded, oh wait
Time to bring back Black Panther style patrols in areas where this is likely to happen, then we’ll see what’s what.
And universities need to strenuously object to ICE doing something like this on their grounds. Especially if they forbid students from carrying, leaving them absolutely defenseless against this sort of thing.
It’ll be put on every news channel “Violent immigrant shot and killed law enforcement officer before being neutralized” and they’ll just gloss over the fact that it was self-defense against kidnapping.
What would really be helpful is if a gun toting, castle doctrine, magat idiot were the one that it happened to. That MIGHT make some of them start to think.
So if someone in a mask is attacking you because of your red hat or Tesla, or if mobs of masked people are trying to destroy your business like in 2020, you are saying you can legally use lethal force against them? Or is it only when you’re being arrested for trying to assault someone or destroy a business that you should shoot the person trying to stop you?
I didn't think that's entirely accurate. I'd say we're just not seeing the reports of it in FL due to the GOP's heavy political pressure in most areas of the state.
Ah the state that broke into Rebekah Jones' home because she was reporting the truth over covid deaths. You can bet your desatan bobblehead the truth is being restricted.
The other question is are they all really ICE agents? During a Town Hall Meeting a few weeks ago a woman was dragged out by men wearing black for speaking out and they refused to identify themselves. Turns out later they were private security hired by the Republicans.
This is exactly what I came here to ask. Do they even check if the person has purchased a gun? I’m guessing they don’t since it would require doing the bare minimum.
You absolutely can. Maybe it would hold up in court, maybe not, but if a gang of secret ICE agents are rolling up to vanish you, the easy part of your life was already over.
I’ve been telling people to arm themselves, if I’m a legal resident/citizen you’re not taking me anywhere without probable cause or positively identifying yourself
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u/OpeningPrune923 7d ago
So, if the perpetrators are masked, and in unmarked cars with no identification, can you shoot them claiming you were being kidnapped?