r/classicwow • u/Antalus-2 • 1d ago
Classic 20th Anniversary Realms Which class hard counters Rogues in a 1v1 open world scenario?
Seeing how toxic PvP servers are, there would be nothing more than to make a Rogue seethe in PvP. I'm think it's either hunters or warlocks but is there a best of the beat class to do the job well??
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u/the_gr8_one 1d ago
orcs of all classes have a 25% chance to just win
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u/Anicancel 1d ago
its 25 on top of the baseline 5% everyone has.
30% to just say Nope.
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u/Serious_Mastication 1d ago
And in classic you can spec into the prot tree for additional stun resistance
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u/intoxicatedpancakes 1d ago
45% babyyy
An orc warrior is the ultimate counter to a rogue. Spec around 31/5/10 with 5 points extra. Grab Imp Overpower, Impale, Deep Wounds, 2H Weap Spec, Axe Spec, MS, Cruelty, and Iron Will.
- 45% resistance to stuns
- Mortal Strike to half heals
- Overpower hard counters Evasion and has minimum 65% crit chance (5 base, 5 from Axe Spec, 5 from Cruelty, 50 from Imp Overpower).
- rend and deep wounds prevent stealth
- demo shout can break stealth
- recklessness, shield wall, or retaliation if shit gets dicey
- charge, demo shout, hamstring, and intercept makes a ganking rogue into a rat
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u/rockoblocko 1d ago
This is fine if you’re specifically just trying to fuck rogues in 1v1. But in general I’d say having enrage is extremely good in pvp. It’s good against rogues too. And insane when you are getting healed.
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u/Smurfaloid 1d ago
Fond memories of watching & Dueling in durotar
I remember seeing two geared people (Rogue and Warrior) over several duels.
Once the Orc resisted cheap shot and a kidney shot and just blew the Rogue up, normally it was 50/50 but that poor bastard got destroyed.
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u/Crazytalkbob 1d ago
Some lowbies called for help in red ridge because a 39 orc warrior was camping them. I ride in on my 60 rogue and he resists cheap shot. Kill him anyway and go back to fishing. 2 more times they call for help and he resists CS.
20 levels lower and he resists 3 stuns in a row...
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u/Moondropbass 1d ago
Prot Paladin
Just laughed at rogues up to like 5 levels above you.
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u/Whoraks 1d ago
Can confirm Legit I gotta blow my cds to kill a 55 palli bro is just laughing at me the entire time XD
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u/Remnie 1d ago
One of my favorite moments ever was in TBC back in 2008. I was playing my prot paladin in AV and just dumpsterd a rogue who had warglaives.
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u/TheMrCeeJ 1d ago
With ret aura and shield spikes you didn't even need to attack them, it is hilarious watching them kill themselves.
Back in OG AV days I used to run a ret/prot build, and was basically immune to rogues, it was so much fun.
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u/Serothrine16 1d ago
I cant remember what patch, maybe wrath or cata but for i have a memory of druid thorns being so OP at one point as a resto druid could win duels aginst melee by just throwing up all my hots, thorns, then /dance
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u/Friisbook 1d ago
Could easily have been cata, i remember pyrite shield spikes being the absolute bane for fast hitters like rogue & druid
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u/Plane-Disk3651 1d ago
Kinda true, palas are so fucking slow tho you have to slowly burn through their mana while eating and healing yourself aha. I mainly just ignore them because I just can’t be arsed and they’re slow so bye I guess
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u/TheMrCeeJ 1d ago
Indeed. I wasn't able to stop them running away so we. Would just ignore each other. I would shoo them away from our healers and that was about it :p
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u/Luvs_to_drink 1d ago
Back in og wrath, my resto druid dumpstered rogues in duels. They couldn't dps through the hots alone and would die to thorns, insect swarm, and moonfire.
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u/StainedVictory 1d ago
As a rogue main warriors and pallys are my least favorite to fight, I have to spend so much time and effort to maintain a small margin of victory.
It’s legit 1-3 minutes of me cc’ing resetting and in general just being the biggest cuck possibly tbh to get a win. And I know the other person is having no fun watching me sap, blind, vanish, cheap shot etc etc over and over again plinking away at their health.
The only exception is while everyone is leveling and yall ain’t sitting behind 6 inches of steel. Leather/mail warrior fights are BiS but mail paladins are fun af too.
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u/zugzug4ever 1d ago
A prot Pala with a decent thorns set can make ANY rogue just leave. The paladin doesn't even need to attack. It's pretty laughable.
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u/Jules3313 21h ago
its even worse in tbc, prot paladins fucking terrified me in tbc. i made the mistake of fucking with one during my herb route that he was also doing, and it was a horror game if he found me mid herb gather
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u/zerocoolforschool 1d ago
Doesn’t even have to be prot. I remember back in OG vanilla trying to duel pallies and they would just fuck me up on my rogue.
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u/gnaark 1d ago
Ret will struggle against a rogue, with dual spec you always duel a rogue with a perfect pvp spec
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u/johnseenahh 1d ago
Almost won against a prot pally the other night in AV took 5mins then a Druid came and helped him kill me lol prot pallies are killable just takes too much effort 😂
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u/Noodlefanboi 1d ago
Shadow Priest is a tough matchup, but open world 1v1 PvP means the rogue is probably going to be getting the opener and stun locking you, so it’s an uphill battle no matter what class you’re playing.
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u/BadDogEDN 1d ago
Dwarf hunter is the best for taking care of rogues. Having consumes/pvp trinket helps.
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u/Finbarr77 1d ago
Orc Hunter as well especially if they resist the first stun. Kiting rogues/warriors in the open world is like walking a dog for a good hunter
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u/thetartanviking 1d ago
Warriors are a great counter if they catch me out of stealth
Disarm, bleeds, lots of armour and hp ... Not a rogues favourite target ... Hell, I'll only engage if they're less than full hp and I have dodge and vanish off CD ..
Paladins second to that ... God damn bubble boys ...
But if your alliance? Good luck against an orc warrior ... Stun resist on top the latter ..
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u/Ok_Stop7366 1d ago
Anyone who can outlive their initial stunlock.
If caught out of stealth, anyone with a bleed or dot.
If caught out of stealth and in raid spec, anyone.
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u/Smygfjaart 1d ago
Thats why dwarves are the best rogues. Stone form kills the bleeds.
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u/because_racecar 1d ago
I’m not a great PvPer but this seems like an oversimplification, surviving the first stunlock is not even close to any kind of guarantee of beating a rogue. It doesn’t even shift your odds above 50%. You have to also outlive the gouge/blind > vanish > sap > 2nd stunlock, and then you have to somehow take out their full health bar (through evasion) before they finish off your last 20%.
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u/lord_james 1d ago
Exactly. Saying “just survive stunlock” like you aren’t at 25% hp to their 100% after it ends.
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u/AltruisticInstance58 1d ago
Yea but then they are in a deathcoil, corruption, fear, second fear cause he trinketed the first one, more dots, dead
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u/xStaabOnMyKnobx 1d ago
You don't even need bleeds as a warrior, if you suspect something fishy going on demo shout will knock a rogue out of stealth
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u/Daftdaddy 1d ago
This. I feel like people who haven’t rolled rogue have this idea that they just bulldoze every class. It’s actually the opposite. Anybody that has even the slightest clue of what they’re doing has major advantages over a rogue
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u/stonehaens 1d ago
Classic PVP is decided by who is prepared for a fight and gets the opening. Things change a tiny bit as soon as LAPs are a thing.
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u/Daftdaddy 1d ago
If you’re going up against any geared player then it’s very difficult to kill them with your opener while keeping them stunned. A very good rogue can do it, yes, but I’ll assume that OP‘s question is more of a general question that applies to your average player. Rogue is a class that basically requires all of your cooldowns just to be competitive with most other classes. A good mage for example is going to absolutely toy with a good rogue 9 times out 10
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u/StainedVictory 1d ago
I think the 9/10 is an oversimplification. A good rogue vs mage is more 60/40 and it’s a game of CD usage with mages having a slight edge. Now if the rogue has already used their CDs it shifts heavily into the mages favor.
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u/because_racecar 1d ago
The problem is people form their perception of rogues based on the ones that make it their life’s mission to sit around and gank people all day. Rogues that are sweaty AF, practice ganking 12 hours a day, using every engi gadget, consumables, and wait until they have every cooldowns up before they attack, and pick targets that are squishy and catch them off guard, they do seem overpowered. Yeah, if you catch a rogue unstealthed without their CD’s they are very weak. But rogues have tons of tools to make sure they don’t get caught like that, good rogues can dictate the terms of engagement so that they always have the advantage.
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u/BiggestBlackestLotus 1d ago
In a fair 1v1 maybe, but that never happens in open world pvp. Rogues come out of stealth while you're 70% hp or OOM and just stunlock you til you're dead unless you never put away your pvp trinket.
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u/Noodlefanboi 1d ago
I feel like people who haven’t rolled rogue have this idea that they just bulldoze every class.
They absolutely can if they play their class the right way. Open world 1v1 PvP means the Rogue should be getting the opener and ideally attacking you when you aren’t expecting it and/or fighting something else.
I can beat most rogues with my priest if I know they are there, but a good rogue won’t let me know they are there and then I have to just hope for their stunlock to break long enough for me to cast something and try to bait them into kicking the wrong type of spell so I can cast the type I need to.
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u/Achmed_Ahmadinejad 1d ago
During Classic TBC on my mage, I learned the hard way never to mine in Hellfire while facing the wall lol.
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u/NailRogue 1d ago
A good Druid is a menace in open world PVP.
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u/RLIwannaquit 1d ago
feral druid, (skilled) hunter, frost mage, or shadow priest are all pretty nasty too
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u/Daeron_tha_Good 1d ago
Assuming both classes have all CDs up, mage vs rogue is a skill match up. Could go either way.
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u/Pkock 1d ago
Also depends on location, a wise rogue will engage a mage where there is options to LOS.
I'm not a good rogue but the good ones remember that.
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u/StainedVictory 1d ago
The worst feeling is when you try to LOS and whatever object your doing that around doesn’t count lol.
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u/lorneagle 1d ago
Yeah but depends. Warlocks just kill you. Shadow priests just kill you, shamans mostly just kill you. Hunters and mages are ok quite easy, warrior and rogue are usually pretty decent matchups as well, but if they pull all cooldowns or stun-open on you out of form you just die.
That being said, if I get first attack out of stealth I'm only scared of priest and warlock.
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u/Emperor_poopatine 1d ago
I’d say Warlocks, they can apply multiple dots that’ll keep rogues from stealthing out.
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u/Rurumo666 1d ago
Reck Paladin...dwarf hunter and demo lock have a chance, but not against a skilled rogue that picks his fights.
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u/Eckberto 1d ago
Hunter with Detective Hidden and these engi goggles that give stealth detection
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u/mythe00 1d ago
Paladin hard counters rogue in 1v1 in classic, you don't even need to respec out of holy, just put on a set of t2 and you're good to go. The only tough thing is actually killing them, I used to equip a trinket with poison to prevent them from vanishing and chase them down.
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u/LonelySwim6501 1d ago
Warlock with a succubus, pvp trinket and faps stand a good chance. Succubus CCs the rogue during their cheap shot.
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u/VexxedZen 1d ago
Pvp in classic is kinda like rock paper scissors World of Roguecraft - Balance. said it best.
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u/weedbearsandpie 13h ago
As a rogue, a hunter is only a problem if they see me first and warlocks are only an issue if you don't have a pvp trinket equipped
There is no hard counter
Mages are the hardest fights, only if they know what they're doing though
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u/Never-breaK 1d ago
As someone who decided to main rogue in anniversary and is going for r14: go with warlock or shadow priest. Warlock is just straight up the most busted PvP class in classic. Shadow priests pretty much counter rogue with psychic scream and dots. If I don’t have PvP trinket and shadow reflector equipped when fighting these two classes then it’s a steep uphill battle. Oh and if you’re playing Horde then go Orc because the stun resist is way too strong.
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u/n0vag0d 1d ago
As a warlock, orc rogues are a joke. Undead anything gimps me because of no fear, undead rogue is unfortunately the play as a pvper.
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u/SnooPaintings1385 1d ago
Mage is a great counter for rogue, they go cooldown for cooldown and by the end the rogue either has to retreat or die
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u/NuklearFerret 1d ago
Anything in cloth is helpless against a good rogue. Maybe not in a duel, where the mage is spamming AE because they know they’re against a rogue, but anywhere that the rogue gets the jump on a mage, the rogue wins.
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u/reenactment 1d ago
It’s a decent counter, but if the rogue knows what they are doing they should win that engagement. The only chance the mage should have assuming similar gear is if they have all of their frost stuff up, and are expecting the gank.
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u/cartenui 1d ago
Arms Warrior can demolish a rogue with PvP trinket equipped and shadow priest own too. Shadow priest melt rogues. Warlocks does a decent job but I feel like it’s a 50/50 battle.
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u/MrKal245 1d ago
a good rogue will throw a warrior in the dumpster if they're willing to blow prep. the only thing that changes that is if it's an orc or dwarf warrior that can either RNG resist a stun or stoneform the blind.
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u/benthelurk 1d ago
Hunters that live in a constant state of fear of a rogue nearby are pretty much the biggest hard counter. Trap set up and flares.
I’m not even a good hunter but just assuming a rogue might be nearby helps stop any potential rogue opener. Which is why they are so strong. Outside of their opening stun a rogue can disable you but at the cost of doing damage to you. Yes they might be able to restealth in time but once Hunter’s mark is up, 9/10 times the rogue just runs away.
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u/Zerxin 1d ago
Feral Druid with good tank gear. Trinket their kidney. Faerie fire so they can’t reset. Abolish poison so they can’t blind. Demo roar to lower their already appalling dps vs bear form. NS regrowth+rejuv to outlast them even more. Moonfire+insect swarm for extra dps. Natures grasp also helps a lot to force a vanish/sprint. If bash hits it’s pretty much won unless you fuck up.
Ignoring the fact that bash has like a 4% hit rate already..
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u/Atomishi 1d ago
I 100% agree with you that feral druid has a significant advantage over rogues.
However, you are making it sound too easy, experienced druids know how to do it but an inexperienced druid will still get annihilated.
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u/iiznzi 1d ago edited 1d ago
I’m going to assume the rogue is getting the first shot here. I main rogue so I will tell you my toughest encounters ranked for each class and how/why:
I will probably lose:
Warlock: MUST BE ORC. Felhunter or voidwalker sacrifice. Human is also good because of perception, but you must already be aware a rogue is nearby. If I see a voidwalker out I don’t even bother
50/50:
Hunters: MUST BE ORC. If I get the first shot it’s a 50/50 but Orc is best option here. Definitely the most annoying.
Shadow priest (keep your bubble up) they have stun resist too. Goes either way depending on stuns.
Warrior: All warriors are about even, prot or arms are hardest to kill. Fury warriors die pretty quick.
Mage: Make sure your barrier and shields are always up and you have a good shot of beating me. Could go either way. I usually jump as soon as ice barrier is down.
Just plain annoying:
Druid: MUST BE TAUREN. I will get them low, then they war stomp, NS and go back to full health + bear form. Very long and annoying fights. Sometimes I just give up and leave
Paladin: see Druid
You have no chance:
Shaman: don’t go shaman
Recap: it is really hard to make a rogues life hell while solo in open world, because they will just revive far away and disappear. If I wanted to achieve your goal:
If I want to embarrass rogue AFTER he jumps me: Orc Warlock with void sac
If I want to jump the rogue BEFORE I get jumped: Orc Hunter
Now, BGs are a completely different story and will change this list. But this is my personal guide for open world, like blackrock mountain
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u/Wide_Ad_1739 1d ago
Shamans slow totem fucks up rogues, and void walkers can do well against them. Remove the invis(outsmart them and throw out an aoe of some kind) and without the rogues advantage he gets squished
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u/Prize_Ad5203 1d ago
Hunter. Especially orc hunters as we have stun resistance. Resist the opener, trap the rogue, run far away and kite.
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u/atcroquette 1d ago
Haven't lost a 'fair' fight against a Rogue that opened on me in the open world or AV. This is on my decently geared Warlock with SL spec though. Doubt I'd live through their stunlocks all the time being in my raid spec.
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u/Girafmad 1d ago
Paladin, they will need two rogues to kill you, one to start the fight and one to kill you where you bubble heartstone to.
More seriously, surival specced hunter is something they will avoid or a pvp speced warlock. Yeah, you would win the fight, but they won't attack.
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u/zljarvi1 1d ago
Experienced hunter here. You better have the gear to kill me in the stun opener or you’re cooked. If I catch one in the open it’s not even a contest
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u/MisterMeta 1d ago
You’re forgetting the biggest advantage of a rogue. You can’t kill what you don’t see.
Your chances of torturing a rogue is limited to their patience and their first resurrection. After that they can change 3 zones before you realize they’re gone.
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u/pinebanana 1d ago
My favorite part is ganking twice and then watching them flip the fuck out trying to find me
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u/shadowmeldop 1d ago
And as you're leaving, hit them with a distract just to keep them busy.
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u/Redschallenge 1d ago
I am yet to lose to any rogue in similar gear/level open world on my druid. I also played druid to 2500 in the first few seasons of arena though lol
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u/No-Hour-366 1d ago
Lol. A really REALLY good dwarf shadow priest. A godly bear druid with power shifts. Or a really really good ice mage. You basically need me to not have a few cool downs for a chance. But there's a good chance I've been watching you from the shadows and waited for you to use a cool down. GGS
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u/Gabi-kun_the_real 1d ago
Paladin's have always been a hard counter to any mele class. But they are boring to lv in classic
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u/Potato_Abuse 1d ago
This time around there hasn’t been nearly the grief on the pvp server, I’m not sure what changed other than boons being in the game and pvp queues being balanced and not long wait times. I feel very safe to go get songflower where as it used to be full danger on faerlina at any flower
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u/Uwuther-Pendwagon 1d ago
Ret reckoning spec pally. I always sit on flags in AV all alone. Eventually a rogue comes and tries to stun lock me and take me down. Usually I won’t even be close to dying when I come out of their stun. And their fast but puny little attacks gives me a steady supply of reckoning procs, so I absolutely chunk them
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u/hate-the-cold 1d ago
Orc warrior Hunter Mage Good druid
If I catch a druid with a kidney out of bear form he's cooked but if he sits bear form and only heals when he has me CCed then it's over for me
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u/Rickles_Bolas 1d ago
As a Tauren Feral Druid main, depends on who gets the opener. The trick is that while you can survive toe to toe with a rogue for a long time, you won’t win that way. Throwing up a faerie fire and then max distance moonfires on them is effective cheese. They sprint, you go cat form and sprint. If they do manage to close using a stun grenade, just sit in bear form. Instant roots, bash, and war stomp (if you’re Tauren) should get you free without much trouble. Sometimes they’ll give you a bit too much space trying to drop combat to stealth again, and you can demoralizing roar them out of stealth and re-up faerie fire, then outdistance them in cat or travel form.
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u/Smerfis 1d ago
Human warrior specifically, the second I see you on my main I pop perception charge you apply bleed if I don't crit and anything you do from there defensively will pretty much let me kill you faster.. Gouge, intercept execute.
Evasion, overpower.
The whole point is to not even let you get the opener, because then your classes abilities have just basically become irrelevant.
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u/evildemonic 1d ago
I use a very specific Arms/Prot hybrid build to bully Rogues on my Classic Warrior. It sounds so stupid, but you wouldn't believe how effective it is. You actually take disarm and mace spec along with improved overpower.
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u/Socially_numb 1d ago
Frost mage, SL warlock with voidwalker, Shadow priest esp if the rogue isn't undead, hunter, warrior.
Rogues are like B+ tier in classic PvP imo. It's TBC that launches them to S tier.
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u/latoyajacksn 1d ago
Disc priest can body a rogue for sure.
But how often are they just waiting for you to pull something, be low mana, go semi-afk and all a dat nonsense.
Trinket into grenade, dust or rocket helm makes all the difference tho. Trinket into fear is usually expected so I almost always hold fear until a little later when it’s not so obvious
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u/Trustyduck 1d ago
Warlock if they get the death coil and dot off. Especially warlock with soul link and vw at the ready. Succubus is also nice for more lock down if you can't get your dots off first.
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u/Classic_Tailor1956 1d ago
This only works if you see a Rogue go stealth around you, but pop a FAP and cheap shot will fail. 95% of Rogues won't check for fap before Cheap Shot and are ass at PvP when they can't stun lock.
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u/pillarsofpestilence 1d ago
the only class that can demolish my rogue in a 1v1 is arms warrior, due to two handed weapon damage and their overpower ability
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u/Brilliant-Elk-6831 1d ago
Demo Lock for sure, you'll win the majority of fights vs a rogue unless they outgear you significantly
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u/CLYDEFR000G 1d ago
Dwarf warrior or any race paladin. Dwarf warrior gets to stone form all your poison away and they also benefit from rogue dodging all attacks letting you hit overpower off CD.
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u/Impressive-Shame4516 1d ago
Warlocks get fucked by stuns. SL lock is only good in 1v1s. WPvP is never just 1v1s. Good warlocks will opt to play Affi or Destro to kill people ASAP, but that makes a rogue match up worse.
Hunter, mage, or geared paladin. Warriors can also cuck intermediate rogues, but will get farmed by good rogues.
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u/sekksipanda 1d ago
Warriors (especially orc) give rogues a REAAAAAAAAALLY hard time. It's still winnable for rogues with full cooldowns and depends a lot if you get many stun resists, but a well geared orc warrior eats rogues for breakfast.
Hunters do notoriously well vs rogues too. Orc hunter specially because of, again, the stun resist.
And as far as 1v1's go, pvp warlocks win literally everything with extreme ease.
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u/SIR_NVAX_A_LOT 1d ago
Elemental shamans in mail w/ a shield are very strong vs rogues. But a rogue can pick his fight in WPVP and wait for the right moment to ambush you.
Soul link Warlock are still bis in 1v1 scenarios. Saw a hardcore video recently against a soul link warlock and the rogue blew it. He probably should've popped restoration potion to remove all the dots. Not sure if he used whipper roots and other consumables, but yea he had to petri and ended up up dying to dots after logging back in.
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u/arrowgarrow 1d ago
Everyone says rogue is the best PVP class and every comment is a different class lol
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u/Dasneaky71 1d ago
So I been getting some open world pvp vs ally rouge as a troll rouge my self is there any advice you can give me if I live past the stun lock should I pop a fap or drink a hp pot.
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u/rr_rai 1d ago
tl;dr - Paladin
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It depends. I used to go into Wetlands as 28 rogue, since, for some reason, there would always be a paladin lvl 28 there.
Nevertheless, rogues can win even in 1v2 scenario.
Element of surprise is everything, especially the shock of being attacked on home turf. Remember attacking priest and a druid team at orc encampment. Priest melted from ambush and few backstabs, just stood for few seconds without being stunned and died. Druid was a different tale, but still died.
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u/denimonster 1d ago
An orc warlock is always a good shout. If you are prepared in open world with an SS, HS, Voidwalker up for the sac, and a PvP trinket with the right spec you will beat a rogue 9 times out of 10 even with them opening on you.
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u/I_am_Alone_in_MMORPG 1d ago
I main Rogue, so when i lvled up was a pain because i used sub tre for lvling and pvp, I was friendly but if i stealthed i was hunted down and killed 😎
There was 1 time trying to get my body and got open by 4 rogues lol
Anyway my hard times for me as a rogue is warrior and locks are the worst, war ar managable but locks hate them so I started playing one and as I see now lock are not so easy to play like I thinked
Cheers
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u/RickusRollus 1d ago
Hunter and Druid if you catch them out of stealth. If they are in stealth, no one, because they don’t have to take a fight they think they might lose. Add in consumes and CDs and even the fights they are going to lose they will win because they have 5 different ways to just disengage and leave, and go invisible
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u/drankseawater 1d ago
Warriors beat rogues, overpower, beats evasion. That being said a rogue usually attacks you at your worst moment
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u/Specialist_Unit69 1d ago
Warrior. I just save trinket until 2nd stun. Overpower is great vs rogues and they’re squishy. Love dueling rogues
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u/randomperson32145 1d ago
Good geared ele has it pretty ez but obviously paladin too, mage, wlock can be tough too.
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u/b87e 1d ago
A hunter.
Most of my fights against rogues have been them jumping me when I am half health and already fighting a mob. While most rogues are actually garbage at PvP, it is still a difficult fight for any class. A paladin is your best bet for this.
I don’t think that is what you want though. If you want to really cause rogue tears, hunter has the best kit. You can eagle eye around from safety until you find a rogue. Then you have all the tools you need to get the jump on him and wreck him. Flare to flush him out of stealth. Hunter’s mark and serpent sting to keep him out. Scatter/trap to line up a big burst. Conc, wing clip, and frost trap to kite and stop him from escaping.
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u/pancakefaceondabitch 1d ago
I fare extremely well against rogues as a hunter. I’m a Tauren so war stomp comes in handy, PvP trinket, and of course scatter trap combo. I have PvP gear and spec’d in to PvP so have more health (plus Tauren racial) and things like improved wing clip.
Survive their stun lock (or trinket it), scatter, (improved) freezing trap, flare on trap so no vanish, hunters mark, 41 yard range and kite GG.
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u/V0rticella 1d ago
The best way to counter rogues in world pvp is probably just to play whatever you are comfortable with but always have a pvp trinket equipped. You ruin a rogue's opener and most will just crumble
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u/ryuranzou 1d ago
Prot pally hard counters rogues but the rogue can simply disengage and the prot pally can do nothing about it.
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u/Red_Alert_2020 1d ago
Everything counters rogues. If you can throw DOTS on a rogue they're cooked.
--T. evil rogue main
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u/SaltyJake 1d ago
If played well, DR’s are tracked, and you react quickly to resists on stuns / gouge and have a bit of luck avoiding AOE stealth breakers, rogue can beat just about anyone 1v1 without them ever getting an offensive ability / cast off.
The key is a class that has a dot (preferably bleed) and the ability to survive their opener. Stun resists from orcs are a massive advantage. Weapon chains are a must for warriors. Pets also have the ability to ignore stealth if the attack command is sent within the right server tick of a vanish (incredibly effect with the 2019 batching).
So their’s not necessarily a hard counter class wise, there are quite a few specs that are stronger than most, but the key is in execution in stopping their stun lock / reset rotation.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Use8326 1d ago
Spriest (undead) are just as lol as locks. But hunters and orc warriors are a lol also
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u/Blinded_justice 1d ago
Nobody. Rogues are the ultimate 1v1 class. I guess mages or hunters can try to bang with them if they know the fight is coming, but realistically, if a rogue with consumables jumps you, there’s probably not a lot you can do to survive (I say this as a 20+ year warrior and priest main so I could be wrong).
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u/Commercial-Ad-1328 1d ago
Warlock is the strongest 1v1 class at an average or low skill level. Spriest is not far off
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u/KillianHxC 1d ago
Paladin with Reckoning is the best counter. Reckoning is a talent that gives one free auto every time you get crit and stacks up to five. You can stun the rogue and nuke him out of existence with it, besides of you being ultra tank, having 12 Sec immunity to everything, 8 sec immunity to physical dmg, Lay on Hands recovering your whole HP when you’re near dying. Is not worth for a Rogue to engage a Paladin, they either die miserably or avoid the fight.
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u/dash197575 1d ago
I play a SL warlock and a rogue isn’t gonna kill me unless he has all his cooldowns and doesn’t make a mistake.
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u/Mysterious6r 1d ago
i use catseye elixir. Engineering Helm with stealth detection Rogue lvl 50 boots with effective stealth level; and heightened senses talent..vanishing also to increases stealth lvl by 10
No rogues will find me before i find tbem
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u/Mantrecou 1d ago
Ret-Reckoning Paladin. Various factors coalesce in this 1v1 that maximize the strengths of the Paladin and some of the few weaknesses Rogues have.
As others have mentioned, if you can survive the initial opener you have a chance to retaliate but the thing about Rogues is their incredible ability to reset a bad situation in their favor. I’ve found the only consistent strategy is to try and kill them in one single instance - which means things like grenades and sappers can’t be saved, everything has to go all-in at once.
This is where the class quirks come in. Rogues crit very often and barring ambush or late phase gear backstabs a Paladin with improved Devotion Aura and decent gear won’t likely die in the Cheap-Kidney combo. The Rogue is almost guaranteed to stack Reckoning to full, and the way PvP trinkets are in Classic, Rogues cannot escape stuns. Orc rogues are always a crapshoot of course but the point stands. Rogues also have generally lower HP pools but are very likely to dodge half if not more of the Reckbomb, so the stun or some form of cc is fairly necessary. Bubble adds a huge layer of safety that means you can usually flip on the rogue with a HoJ after bubbling a stun you don’t have trinket for. Reck+Sapper+Judgement+Hammer of Wrath is almost always a 100-0 Kill.
As a final note, both of the Alliance Paladin races are very good vs. Rogues. Humans have insane stealth detection and Dwarves can Stoneform out of poisons and bleeds, most importantly Blind. After PvPing on most of the classes at max level I have never had an easier time dealing with rogues than with a 0-26-25 Paladin.
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u/NuklearFerret 1d ago
Warriors (in plate), prot paladins, Druids if they can make it to bear form quick enough, and good hunters in mail armor with good pets. Rogues can’t burst the tanks from 100-0 before they run out of cooldowns, and a good hunter/pet combo will chew thru a rogue pretty quickly, but it’s not exactly a hard counter, just a good matchup.
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u/Don_Von_Schlong 23h ago
I bind cntrl + mwheel up/down to a tab target + scatter shot macro. I always wear catseye goggles in world pvp and swap to track hidden when my spy detects any stealthies. Unless a rogue pre-vanishes they will never get an opener on me. After that it's an easy trap into burst, flare the vanish sprint into a conc, if they fap and run at me I Skull and 90% of the time a blind goes straight into it, break blind and finish em off. I feel like I counter rogues very hard.
edit: Hunter
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u/vT_Death 23h ago edited 23h ago
Good arms warriors are the biggest threats that even the element of surprise doesn't work on them. I 100% avoid an arms warrior unless prep is up and if he's rank 14 also then I will usually avoid because chances are he stance dances with shield also. Most really good arms warriors will know a good rogue will attempt to bleed them out.
If they're all the above and a female orc I don't even get close.
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u/sick2880 22h ago
I dint play classic but a as a vanilla rogue I have a little input. Hybrid assanation combat build (no hemo build, hated it. )
In world pvp the only one i didn't like was picking a fight with a pally just because you literally have to beat them til they're oom.
Everyone else, as long as I got the first stun to stick it was going to be over quick.
In ab or other battlegrounds it was a little more level of a playing field due to totems, flares, traps, consecration being all over. It was hard to get in close for first strike.
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u/TehSeraphim 22h ago
I'm a human shadow priest and in open world I can hold my own. Granted, I have spy installed so I know when there's a rogue nearby and I'll pop perception and fear as soon as they get close as they usually don't notice.
Once they're feared I bubble, dot, vamp touch, and mind flay.
As others have said...rogues never pick fair fights which makes them seem like they are way stronger than they actually are.
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u/Muted-Ride6401 21h ago
As a deep frost mage i feel i have no problems with rogues even if they open. They have two blinds.. we have two ice blocks . ESP if i get a poly off its gg.
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u/Mosaic78 21h ago
Prot paladins. Mages fair well. Druids if they can live through the initial opening.
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u/SIDER250 20h ago
Orc SL warlock (rng stun resist), Dwarf shadow priest, Dwarf hunter and another rogue (if the rogue that opens you fucks up his/her rotation and leaves a gap), also a good mage like really good one.
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u/SteamedBeave89 19h ago
I mained a dwarf rogue for classic 2019. Most cases I could beat other rogues 1v1 with stone form. Being able to remove blind and bleeds at the same time is OP. Just make sure to have bandages.
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u/WendigoCrossing 1d ago
Rogues pick the fights that they can win, making it seem like they are disproportionally stronger than they are