r/movies • u/MarvelsGrantMan136 r/Movies contributor • 19h ago
Media New Image from 'Avatar: Fire and Ash'
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u/peter095837 19h ago
I know Avatar gets a lot of hate on reddit but I personally enjoy them for the designs and colors. It's one of those dumb fun movies to watch with pals.
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u/GamingTatertot Steven Spielberg Enthusiast 19h ago
I don’t even think it’s dumb fun - I just think it’s simple. The stories aren’t trying to be too clever for their own good, they’re pretty straightforward, but they’re an insanely good time on the big screen.
Also the action is great IMO.
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u/CordlessJet 19h ago
Neytiri spearing a soldier with an arrow then firing the arrow through them into another soldier was peak cinema
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u/Few-Metal8010 19h ago
Yeah the violence in these films is underrated honestly, some awesome gruesome bonecracking maulings
The aerial armored-train robbery in Way of Water was a highlight for me.
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u/DerelictInfinity 18h ago
The raid on the train and Jake going all Metal Gear Solid on the other avatars were honestly my favorite parts of the second movie lol
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u/realbigbob 12h ago
The Tulkun smashing the humans to pieces and slicing people in half with a cable was some of the most satisfying violence I’ve ever seen
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u/Worthyness 17h ago
Any time we get natives vs machines is a fun time. But this time, the natives also have nature as weapons
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u/andykekomi 19h ago
Yeah it gets a lot of crap for being a simple unoriginal story at its core but there are plenty of great movies that don't do anything revolutionary story-wise. I watch these movies for the spectacle, and it absolutely delivers on that front.
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u/EvolvedApe693 18h ago
I feel movies can get away with a simple plot by compensating with spectacle. The Avatar movies definitely do that.
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u/Dottsterisk 18h ago
John Wick, as well.
It’s a simple, well-worn plot that serves as a vehicle for the action choreography. And it’s a helluva ride.
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u/SEND-MARS-ROVER-PICS 16h ago
Avatar gets shit on for being the same as Pocohontas, Dances With Wolves, and Ferngully, but those movies don't get shit on for being each other.
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u/KingMario05 7h ago
Yet the audience shows up every time. Why? Because James Cameron brings the spectacle none of the others do.
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u/GrimmHellblazer 19h ago
I agree. The last big battle at the tail end of 2 is some of the best action Cameron has done since T2.
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u/riegspsych325 The ⊃∪⊃⪽ 19h ago
plus, Cameron utilizes the IMAX 3D combo to its fullest potential and does it well. He really knows how to give people the most bang for their buck when it comes to the theatrical experience. It’s enough to get even the most non-casual moviegoers to show up in droves
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u/spacemanspliff-42 18h ago
I missed seeing Avatar in theaters, but I saw Way of Water in 3D IMAX and I got why it was meant to be seen that way. When it showed everyone underwater for the first time the entire theater went "Whoa" together. Incredible experience.
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u/riegspsych325 The ⊃∪⊃⪽ 18h ago
I’m sure they’ll re-release the movie before the third one comes out. Give it a shot if you can
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u/TheShadyGuy 12h ago
If you can get a full imax it should be even better. Kicking myself for meeting a buddy in long Beach instead of going to the really good imax ast Howard Hughes for the first. Did see pacific rim there and it was absurdly awesome!
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u/one_pint_down 16h ago
I know they're only superficially similar, but compare the final battle of Avatar 2 and Black Panther 2 and the difference in quality, pacing and storytelling... just about everything, is ridiculous.
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u/JamarcusRussel 13h ago
Cameron is actually just such a great director of four quadrant spectacle that people watch way of water without realizing how insane the story is. The bad guys clone themselves. There’s a talking whale. A lot of the movie is dedicated to tribal politics
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u/KingMario05 7h ago
I can't wait for the Earth battle at the end of five.
Who cares if it's dumb. I NEED the Navi swarming on a militarized District of Columbia, lol.
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u/CeruleanEidolon 14h ago
They're ridiculously elaborate VFX showcases draped over straightforward James Cameron action movies. What's not to love here?
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u/-KFBR392 18h ago
James Cameron might be the greatest action director of all time. Those action scenes are incredible
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u/Chewie83 17h ago
Newer technology aside, I thought the battle at the end of the first Avatar was better because it was actually tense and not just the humans getting massacred the entire time.
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u/BEARWISHX 16h ago
The final showdown in the first one was so satisfying in many layers. The conversations, the arrow payoff, the big robot jumps off the big ship.
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u/bacon-squared 18h ago
These are the types of films when you watch them at home it does no justice. On the big screen they have a much bigger impact. The plot is simple but made for cinema.
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u/laseluuu 17h ago
in VR 3D they are pretty jaw dropping. Also Valerian! Actually felt like a proper spiritual successor to fifth element and i dont get the hate at all at all (this is in 3D, i was awed)
and i'm a big film cynic really
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u/CaledonianWarrior 18h ago
I personally like the worldbuilding, which is mainly why I like Avatar in the first place
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u/idejmcd 18h ago
They're great. I loved the second film. Beautiful movies, inspired by all elements but storytelling. Even the acting rises above the crop if you place scifi fantasy schlock as the standard.
I understand why they receive a lot of criticism but I'm not gonna be bashful about it.
Oof, avatar and Snyder apologist on reddit in the same day
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u/GOULFYBUTT 17h ago
They're the perfect "smoke a big doinker right before you enter the theater" kind of movies.
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u/Whompa02 18h ago
Life has so many other more important things to invest any emotion over. It's the perfect Saturday/Sunday afternoon theater experience imo. Just chillin watchin weird alien shit for a few hours.
Like whatever. It's utterly harmless entertainment. I like them too.
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u/FriedCammalleri23 18h ago
They’re visual spectacles, as far as i’m concerned they can be as dumb as they want as long as it looks good.
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u/austine567 17h ago
They aren't even dumb, Fast and Furious is dumb, or transformers. Avatar is just basic.
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u/Sey_Oz 19h ago
I'm just excited to see more new creatures, love that whale from 2nd movie.
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u/Draoken 19h ago
Same. I had never watched an intelligent whale beat the shit out of a battleship, but that's what I got and I'm excited for more.
Sometimes I just want epic adventure and these movies always deliver for me lol.
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u/SPACEFUNK 19h ago
Battleship? It was a lightly armed whaling ship. An 18 inch shell would fuck up Tilkun's day.
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u/Draoken 19h ago
you right, I spent like 10 seconds putting that post together.
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u/SPACEFUNK 18h ago
It does bring up an interesting question. Like, how many sperm whales would it take to sink the U.S.S. Iowa?
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u/jaime-the-lion 17h ago
Find out in this summer’s action-packed blockbuster, Moby Dick II: Revenge of Queequeg
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u/Mainbaze 18h ago
I appreciate good movies, but entertainment does matter. Like Bullet Train > Taxi Driver Come at me
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u/GamingTatertot Steven Spielberg Enthusiast 19h ago
The whale was awesome (Tulkan?). Really all the sea creatures that we got to see were so vibrant and cool
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u/riegspsych325 The ⊃∪⊃⪽ 19h ago
oh man, we’re heading towards “DAE think Avatar not special” season again, aren’t we?
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u/i-like-turtles-4eva 19h ago
“Am I the only one that thinks Avatar 3 is overrated?” I’m already rolling my eyes.
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u/Fair_University 19h ago
“It’s almost like they haven’t really had any….impact. On the culture. I am just thinking of this for the first time”
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u/DreamOfV 19h ago
splitscreen with the movie raking in 2+ billion dollars
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u/Martin_Aurelius 18h ago
Reddit:
I loved Pacific Rim, sometimes all you want is mindless action with just a basic plot.
Also Reddit:
I'm not a fan of Avatar, it's just mindless action with a basic plot.
Also also reddit:
You're a redditor too, you're criticizing yourself.
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u/WhyTheWindBlows 18h ago
Reddit loves Pacific Rim because its anime / “cool japan” adjacent and avatar isnt
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u/CultureWarrior87 16h ago
Which is odd because a lot of tech in James Cameron movies is clearly anime inspired. Avatar literally has mechs lol
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u/batguano1 15h ago
It's funny because Cameron and Avatar are definitely inspired by anime. It's just not as obvious as Pacific Rim. And no shade to Pacific Rim, that movie's great
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u/riegspsych325 The ⊃∪⊃⪽ 19h ago edited 17h ago
“Ferngully in space”
“no one cares about blue cat people, James”
“no cultural impact”
“nobody I know watches Avatar”
“my theatre was totally empty”
did I miss any?
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u/Sorry_Engineer_6136 19h ago
“It’s just Dances with Wolves in space”
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u/Kenny_log_n_s 17h ago
Said by Redditors that have never seen Dances with Wolves, only knowing this from other Reddit comments
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u/Fair_University 16h ago
Yeah, the volume of people who not only have seen Ferngully but still vividly remember the plot points 30+ years later is eyebrow raising.
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u/PortoGuy18 18h ago
The funny thing is that most people don't really know of Fern Gully and Dances with Wolves lmao
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u/GamingTatertot Steven Spielberg Enthusiast 19h ago
You forgot “Can anyone even name the characters”
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u/Kenny_log_n_s 17h ago
J sooly
Navi cat lady
Sigourney Weaver
Colonel scarface
Spyder
Sigourney Weaver pretending to be a teenager
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u/shobidoo2 19h ago
“Something something culture impact” please save us
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u/-ImJustSaiyan- 16h ago edited 16h ago
"Something something Dances with Wolves in space"
"Something something FernGully in space"
"Something something Pocahontas in space"
Me intellectual for noticing newer movie has similarities to older movies.
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u/natfutsock 14h ago
Don't worry, if you look, people get just as annoying about Hero's Journey stories. Percy Jackson is greek mythology Harry Potter is British earth Star Wars is space Lord of the Rings is elven Greek mythology.
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u/lsaz 17h ago
If you think about it, very few successful movies have had some sort of cultural impact in the last few years. I remember "Parasite" being a HUGE thing when it came out, but culturally, there's no footprint... no jokes, one-liners, scenes that are copied by other movies, references, or anything like that. It's kinda weird. And is the same with all Oscar-winning movies of the last 10 years.
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u/CultureWarrior87 16h ago
It's because the cultural impact point is completely hollow. Not only is it untrue (billions grossed and starting a trend of 3D movies IS a cultural impact), but it's also pointless. When they say "cultural impact" they mean "it doesn't have a Star Wars level fanbase" but the reality is that that's not important. Fan base size isn't equate to quality. It's a complete non-argument people use because they think it makes them sound smart.
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u/Deceptiveideas 18h ago
I remember when “reddit” (as a generalized whole) constantly upvoted comments saying the second movie would bomb.
Fwiw this sub also kept shitting on the Mario movie’s box office potential so maybe they’re just out of touch lmao.
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u/mountaininsomniac 8h ago
It’s funny to see how pervasive that is. People in this thread who feel positively about the first two films are having to justify it, despite the fact that the general public clearly enjoys them, as evidenced by the box office.
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u/Lord_Halowind 19h ago
I enjoyed The Way of Water more than the first one so I am looking forward to seeing this one. Plus apparently not everything is gonna be so black and white finally so I can't wait to see what bad Navi can do.
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u/LiquifiedSpam 18h ago
Way of water made the original feel like a tech demo
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u/habdragon08 18h ago
I enjoyed Avatar 1 more because it more or less closed off all loose ends. Sure it left room for a sequel, but most of the plot points were entirely resolved. Avatar 2 ended halfway through a story. A story I was quite invested in.
And yea watching Avatar 2 after Avatar 1 you can tell the difference. But I watched Avatar 1 in 2009 and it made every other movie feel like a tech demo.
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u/MaroonIsBestColor 16h ago
Avatar 2 is part of a planned list of movies filmed years ago that are being slowly released now. CGI takes a while to render I guess lol.
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u/Lord_Halowind 18h ago
Those water effects are so insane. Can't wait to get a 4k TV to rewatch it!!
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u/jetlightbeam 18h ago
I'd buy that TV sooner rather than later if I was you...
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u/Lord_Halowind 18h ago
Yeah I know. I'll have extra money next month. Just need to wait a little longer.
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u/seeyou_nextfall 16h ago
Be the change. 4K TVs are cheap as hell right now, but subject to change. To go Best Buy and buy a used 65inch Hisense U8 for under $400. Lotta bang for your buck.
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u/Lord_Halowind 16h ago
I hope it has at least a 120 refresh rate. My 2011 Vizio has 120 and I'd hate to downgrade even though it's cheap and 4k. Thanks for the tip though!
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u/Winter-Donut7621 15h ago
Make sure the new one is actually 120 hertz and not some of that bs terminology they use and put a 120 in front of it. It can be surprisingly difficult to find at times.
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u/Lord_Halowind 15h ago
What brands would you recommend that guarantee 120 hertz?
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u/Winter-Donut7621 15h ago
Its been years since I bought my TV. I think most of the top end brands should have it. My tv is Sony, but I'm not sure that all Sonys will have that. Sorry it's been so long since I've looked at TVs.
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u/Lord_Halowind 15h ago
I have a friend who has a Sony and loves it. I'll keep my eyes out. Thank you!
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u/eojen 17h ago
I also loved that they gave us a large time jump. Made it feel like I was reading a fun fantasy novel series. I always find that sequels that take place right after the first movie are missing out on the ability to deeper world-building between stories. Makes the world feel a lot more lived in.
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u/death_by_chocolate 19h ago
Sure looks fiery and ashy.
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u/neuroplasticity7 19h ago
Yup that's an Avatar movie.
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u/Shazam4ever 19h ago
An image that could be from literally any Avatar movie.
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u/mtb443 19h ago
Wow that cgi water looks so good it makes me question why they didn’t just use actual water
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u/khinzaw 19h ago
In behind the scenes footage they actually did sometimes when the actors and water needed to interact. They would have the actor doing things in water so that the water interacting with the actor was real and they didn't need to simulate it, then they would generate all the water surrounding it.
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u/Variable_Shaman_3825 18h ago
There were times while watching Way of Water when I thought it looked better than actual water.
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u/matt1250 19h ago
The HFR 3D in Avatar 2 is the coolest thing I've ever seen. Can't wait and will probably see multiple times in IMAX
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u/psych0ranger 19h ago
I actively don't like HFR but hot damn did it look outstanding in A2
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u/Recover20 18h ago
It was used sparingly and really well to enhance the 3D experience and lessen any motion blur that would result in a lesser 3D experience. I thought it was great!
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u/CinephileCrystal 19h ago
I want to see Varang. Everything else, meh.
Cameron and crew are trying to make Loak happen.
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u/Icy_Smoke_733 19h ago
Everything you are looking at is CGI.
Looks like a still from a documentary.
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u/SyrioForel 15h ago
What gives it away as CG is the fact that every creature has exactly the same skin texture, with exactly the same line pattern. They are just copy/pasting the same 3D model.
What makes real living animals look better than CG is the fact that each of them is a little bit different from each other. I’m surprised they didn’t bother making these slight alterations for literally the most CG-heavy film of all time, it would add some much realism to the scene, even if it’s just subconscious.
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u/weliveintrashytimes 19h ago
First one was a classic story of eco love and the flaws of humanity, the second had the exact same themes, but with cooler animation and some more depth with interactions of different communities of people, as well as some cloning ideas, and maybe the possibility that people aren’t all that black/white as with the admiral/military dude and his son.
I’m hoping the third has even more depth on the morality scale. And more cool tech from humanity.
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u/hikemalls 17h ago
I just can’t believe the 3rd one actually seems to be coming so soon, after the 2nd one took 13 years
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u/Nuke_Me_I_Beg_You 7h ago
I've been hoping for something reminiscent of the north American tribes. With a plains tribe and something like a buffalo sort of creature. (Yes, Im from kansas)
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u/GamingTatertot Steven Spielberg Enthusiast 18h ago
If you get the chance I’d really recommend seeing them on the big screen. Even if you’re not interested in the story or characters, it is a visual FEAST.
As an aside to that, I recently went to Disney’s Pandora section in Animal Kingdom. I don’t even like Disney or amusement parks generally but that shit was cool
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u/ppinguino 19h ago
whatever
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u/nowwhathappens 19h ago
I'm amazed we are still supposed to care about this
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u/Mahajangasuchus 18h ago
Here’s a fun fact:
You don’t have to like everything! Something can be enjoyed by others and not you!
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u/AbsurdlyAddicted 19h ago
Way of Water was a great time for me. I can always count on Cameron to provide a fully earnest film, he's always committed to the bit and confident in his world and that's something a lot of filmmakers seem to be afraid of these days. While most films desire to be "in on the joke", overtly self-referential, and laugh alongside audiences, Avatar is breath of fresh air in the opposite direction.
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u/habdragon08 18h ago
I have a gut feeling that the stories are gonna get a lot deeper. Criticizing the movies for being overly simple now is like criticizing harry Potter after Chamber of Secrets for being too childish.
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u/Not-User-Serviceable 19h ago
I loved the first movie. Second movie was meh. Not really looking forward to any more.
I really wish James Cameron was working on new adventures.
Terminator, Aliens, The Abyss, T2, True Lies, Titanic, Avatar... He's too good for this repetition to be all we get from him for the rest of his career.
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u/GamingTatertot Steven Spielberg Enthusiast 19h ago
James Cameron getting to craft stories in a world of his own creation sounds pretty good to me for a career closer
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u/ewynn2019 19h ago
Avatar made $2.923 billion globally
Avatar 2 made $2.32 billion globally
Cameron reportedly made $445 million off those 2 moves.
Regardless of the views on reddit, these films print money. There isn't a financial incentive to do anything else.
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u/Worthyness 17h ago
Also Disney is gonna basically give him all the money since this prints money for them. Dude almost never misses.
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u/DiamondFireYT 19h ago
This is crazy to me! I wasn't big on Avatar 1 (I was 4 when it came out lol) but loved Avatar 2, saw it multiple times in theaters, which is wild bc I only see like 1 movie a year there usually.
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u/i-like-turtles-4eva 19h ago
PocAhoNTAss in SpAcE! I wooD RAthEr watcH fERN GuLLY. /s
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u/Comic_Book_Reader 19h ago
Yup, we've got a 9 foot tall blue fella, flying creatures, and water and water and water water, water and water and water water...
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u/MuNansen 18h ago
The last movie was surprisingly good. It would be interesting to do a study on the demographics of the Avatar hatred. They're not my favorite movies, but they're very good. Yet so much of the internet HATES them with a burning passion. Same with the Ubisoft game. It was actually quite good. Initial suspicion is the incels that brigade everything on the internet that isn't felating the patriarchy are doing most of it.
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u/ViolentSpring 19h ago
People love to hate these movies but I always have a blast seeing them in the theater and found they hold up pretty well at home too. It’s almost like JC is a good director….
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u/FlatParrot5 19h ago
Beautiful, but I notice a lack of both fire and ash in that image. This has me concerned about a misleading title.
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u/Stan_the_man1988 19h ago
There was too much time between the first 2 movies. I LOVED the first one, but by the time the second movie came out I already lost all interest. Started the second movie a few times but could never finish it.
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u/Easy-Highlight-5950 18h ago
First teaser trailer will be attached with Thunderbolts? Or maybe with Lilo and Stitch live action movie?
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u/brennyflocko 18h ago
hell yes can’t wait death to american imperialism message more relevant than ever
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u/JoeyMcClane 18h ago
Next up Avatar: Grass and Poison.
followed up by, Avatar: Earth and Steel.
And finally it all culminates with:
Avatar: The Pokemon Pandora Champion.
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u/ChocolateHoneycomb 1h ago
Electric and Psychic.
Hot damn I loved the booster pack. Forever made me love the combination of yellow and purple, arguably the best colour combination ever.
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u/judgejuddhirsch 18h ago
I'm interested in how captian Ahab in the 2nd movie develops after the whaling attack cost him his limbs. Will he seek revenge on the whale, dragging his crew on a periless And fruitless voyage in search of the whale that got away so they can harvest their precious ambergris?
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u/dnarevolutions 18h ago
I'm convinced at this point James Cameron will make an Avatar movie for each element there is, fully immerse the cast into that element and somehow be able to film it.
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u/Virt_McPolygon 17h ago
I only watched the second one recently and immediately regretted not seeing it in 3D at the cinema, like I did the first. I won't make that mistake again.
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u/Hazbin1Worker 17h ago
"... But Mostly Water Again. Damn I Love Water."
-James Cameron's original title
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u/RevWaldo 17h ago
When they gonna have a story in some snowy mountains so they can have husky/thicc Na'vi that normals could actually cosplay?
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u/Prize_Instance_1416 17h ago
Yawnsville. I’m hoping for a decent story to accompany the lavish visual.
Corp bad guy trashing natives nature preserves won’t do it for me this time.
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u/MrMojoRising422 19h ago
fire and ash
looks inside:
water