There's a difference between a douchebag and a nazi attempting to overthrow the government. Hell, when the cybertruck launched he hadn't even bought twitter. A lot of people are willing to buy from companies with douchebag CEOs, because douchebag CEOs are literally everywhere.
Tesla cars, no. Cybertrucks, well. I don't know about MAGA, but if someone bought a Cybertruck, best-case scenario they're a fucking loser regardless of their political views. I see many of them, and the drivers always seem very proud of themselves and open to a controntation.
I dunno, if I had the money to waste and Elon wasn't such a douche maybe I'd get one just for the novelty. The thing is fucking weird looking which is fun.
Like, as the tenth useless car you’d buy? Even in its classes it’s not even top 3… ten different trucks I’d buy first, ten different ev’s id buy first, plenty of sports cars.. I’d buy a resto mod of some random classic car, ANY replica of any television/series EVER, hell I’d buy and restore an Oscar Meyer wiener vehicle before I’d but this piece of shit.. no taste, no class, no values…
I really want to buy a cybertruck, I just love weird vehicles. The Vehicross, Lotus Europa, the new Jag type 00, even the Aztec.
While I agree that buying it right now requires a MAGA hat and the ability to huff paint without shame, eventually you've gotta let people just people enjoy whatever they want
I don't condone nor like what the first lady is doing, i hope terrible things for him. But VW, Porsche, Audi, BMW, Ford, Mercedes, Daimler and GM were all involved or collaborated with the actual Nazis. What's the difference? Time?
Kinda, yeah. As far as I'm aware, none of those companies currently have execs that are throwing seig heils while pillaging our government and ushering in fascism and oligarchy. Those were like 80 years ago.
I have a friend with a cybertruck. He's absolutely not political at all. He's definitely not a loser. He was proud of it because he thought it was crazy and it's fun to drive. I have to say, riding in it was actually pretty fun. It's still ugly as fuck and we all make fun of him, but who cares. He doesn't.
Anyway, someone in a big dodge truck drew a swastika on it and scratched it. Until that moment he had no idea that was a thing.
IDK, most maga people I know, I live in the deep south, love their big Ford F250s etc. They are the last people who would want an all electric truck, especially after for decades hating on liberals for driving hybrids and electric cars.
Damn, another liberal stereotyping an entire group of people based on what they drive??? If the CEO of Toyota gets arrested for trafficking kids, should I have my trucks tires slashed before I can go to work?? Or should I focus my entire life on replacing my vehicle??
I’m in that boat. I love my Model Y, but damn has Elons behavior the past few years really put a stink on it. It’s by far my favorite car I’ve ever owned, and I feel shame driving it. Weird feeling.
Same here with my Model 3. Not a single issue since I got it in 2022, but I’m dumping it for the Rivian R2 as soon as they’re available. Already preordered.
One option is, you could get one of those bumper stickers that says "I bought this before we know Elon was crazy". They're like $7.
It won't actually do anything. Most people are reasonable and understand that buying a Tesla doesn't automatically mean you're okay with what Elon is doing. And the people crazy enough to vandalize your Tesla probably won't be stopped by a cheap bumper sticker. But it would be a good way to say "Yes, I get it, Elon sucks, and I'm not happy about it either."
If you're feeling really spicy, buy some spray paint and write "Fuck Elon" all over your car. Vandalize your own Tesla before someone else does.
Or maybe it might backfire, and the vandal will think "It's already been vandalized, so it's fair game to vandalize it even more."
Yeah me too. I want an electric car but I want range and charging network to easily drive cross country as well as reliability. I know people are going to bash the tesla build quality but they don't just fail (other than the cyber dumpster) like others. I'd fucking love to jump to a competitor. Self driving is a scam and if others had the charging network and 300+ mile range I'd be all over it
I own a truck, I use it to go out into the wilderness pretty often; I'm not maga. I know a bunch of people around me who do the same who aren't maga. When you live in the west there's so much to do with so much actual wilderness.
The Ford f150 has been the best/one of the best selling vehicles in America for forever because we fucking love trucks
From left to right on the political spectrum, it doesn’t matter.
It is only an incredibly, incredibly small minority of people in this country that associate driving a truck with being right wing/MAGA, and they’re wrong to do so.
Elon was already cancerous to those paying attention by the time the Cybertruck was even announced. By the time it was released he was trying to overthrow democracy. Not a single Cybertruck owner cares about the environment, and MAGA types tend to like ICE vehicles so whats left is tech bros who are more into Elon than Trump. Which IMO is way slimier than your average MAGA cultist whose just too stupid to know whats going on.
It had a pretty dramatic rise today, but TSLA is lining up well with the rest of the market for today's gains. Everything is down so bad. TSLA is currently sitting at -35% since January which is less than a lot of the stocks I follow. His actions definitely are a driving force. Most of the stocks I follow are only sitting at -10 to -20%. A few are even positive YTD but not by much.
which is why the whole attacking people who drive teslas thing seems so weird to me. Like yeah encourage people to not buy more but mocking people who currently drive them that are very likely on your side politically seems like a terrible idea
The left is notorious for fighting amongst ourselves. The last time we were able to unite and get something done was Obama. And even then, we fell apart in Congress and only just barely managed to pass a heavily compromised ACA.
Meanwhile, all the right-wingers who say they hate Trump eventually fall in line and start kissing his ass.
TBF, very few and far between are buying Cybertrucks on the left side of the aisle. It's a lot less than $80,000 to get you a real truck like a Tacoma.
I am mildly ashamed, but it also helps that everyone and their Mom's have a Tesla in my area, so we're not about to vandalize each other's cars.
We have two Teslas and the only reason we're not getting rid of them is because we have free lifetime charging. A part of me is like "suck it Elon," every time I charge, even though it means nothing to him.
Honestly, I think a lot of people are in a similar boat when it comes to Tesla cars. Many people probably know at least one person they actually like that owns one. The "truck" on the other hand is a newer monstrosity that typically requires a certain type of person to have interest in it. There's no doubt some cyber truck owners aren't like that and have those types of tastes, but yeah.
Yup which makes it even crazier that people think vandalizing these cars hurts Elon. He already got his money and now you want to hurt a person who likely aligns politically with you so Elon will feel bad?
I definitely do, but I still love the car. It really sucks... you're trying to help the environment more, have less out of pocket gas and maintenance costs, and I couldn't ignore the end of year incentives on a used 2022 Y that allowed purchase for a grand total of $36000. Significantly cheaper than the hybrid I was considering...
And yet, now when I go out I am afraid people are going to think I'm pro-Musk and pro-MAGA (especially since they're pushing it to MAGAs right now). The other day I was reading in my car and some mentally unstable guy walked by angrily muttering about how jobs required drug tests and it sounded like he didn't get a job at a local factory. He saw my car and started cursing Musk and tesla owners. He made me really nervous as I was waiting to pick up my toddler.
It's been tempting to return it as an F You to Musk, but my husband would probably kill me as he's wanted one for over 8 years.
IDK why anyone would feel shame about a car they own.
I could not even tell you who the CEO is of any car I've ever owned aside from one. I literally do not care what they do or think or how they run their company or anything else, all I care about when buying a car is whether or not I like it.
I also have no idea why anyone thinks that vandalizing teslas is a good idea. It's like just putting money straight into Musk's pocket.
Also, teslas have cameras and record everything so you'll end up getting caught.
And in case everyone forgot, there's kinda a climate crisis right now and destroying the least impactful cars that could exist (those being already built EVs) really isn't great for that.
Short the stock, boycott buying a new one, protest in front of their stores - those are things elon will feel.
I could not even tell you who the CEO is of any car I've ever owned aside from one.
This is part of the issue with musk going full ketty regard. He is a far bigger part of Tesla's image than any other CEO for any other car company. Noone sees the 4 mercedes rings and thinks of Döllner or the lion badge and think of Jackson, unlike with Tesla.
this is a really weird take especially the climate crisis one. every single good thing an electric vehicle does during its life span for the environment is completely undone by an oil company in seconds. the solution to the climate crisis doesn’t fall on the consumer and directing blame towards them just lets these oil companies off the hook.
i think vandalising teslas is performative and has no real impact but i also think rebranding teslas also has the same lack of impact. also your point about not knowing ceos, there isn’t another car company on earth that’s ceo is as linked to the product as elin musk is. everyone who owns a tesla knows who he is and knows what he’s like and he’s been a huge piece of shit for years.
There isn't a single person who bought a cybertruck because of environmental concerns. It was loyalty theater, they bought it because they are obsessed with Elon Musk, either out of a belief that he is Sci-Fi Space Jesus or as a Cryptobro figurehead.
I know a person who bought one. Far left voter. Bought it because they thought the meme was funny and they like cyberpunk stuff. They wanted an electric vehicle too. And frankly he had enough money that he doesn't have to worry about big purchases like that.
I'd reckon there are a lot of people that bought it because of reasons like that. Probably far more than there are people on the far right who are fan of cyberpunk electric vehicles.
I could not even tell you who the CEO is of any car I've ever owned aside from one.
I think it's entirely reasonable to only know about the one car CEO who did two back-to-back Sieg Heils on national TV. On top of that:
...all I care about when buying a car is whether or not I like it.
Modern cars are far more connected, and Teslas in particular are far more dependent on the company behind them to keep working. Everything from remote-start to your ability to take a road trip depends on Tesla-the-company staying competent.
So this CEO in particular actually has some impact in "whether or not I like it", and can even have that impact over time.
I agree that vandalizing Teslas is dumb. But you really can't imagine why someone would regret their purchase now? Especially if they bought them for the climate crisis?
I didn't say anything about cybertrucks. Wouldn't that support my argument about Tesla owners regretting their purchase, and that it's dumb to vandalize the individual vehicles?
But fine. Where did you get five years from? It was planned to launch in 2021, but the first models weren't delivered until November of 2023, which is about a year after "My pronouns are Prosecute/Fauci" and a year or so into the Xitter shitstorm. That's the kind of public attention that, again, most car CEOs tend to avoid.
Yeah, a lot of these vandalisms of cars are a felony amount of damage. Not really gonna get sympathy from the judge when they sentences you to prison just because you hate Teslas CEO.
You're missing a huge portion of what makes up the modern MAGA demographic. It's not just rednecks and evangelicals. It's AI techbros, angry "gamergate" losers, and wannabe podcast influencers - all the people who are on the forefront of new technologies.
You are absolutely right but I don’t feel any shame about it. I bought the car for the right reasons at the time. Maybe that makes me an asshole but if you are an average consumer in a capitalist society, you are constantly supporting companies with unethical practices. Most of us still use iPhones and don’t plan on rebranding them or boycotting. While Elon has turned out to be quite the schmuck, Tesla is still made up of some really hard working and honest people who put their best efforts and livelihoods into the success of these cars. I support those people not Elon (yes I know he benefits the most but I can’t change that part, already bought the car).
Hating electric cars is I think the regular low income MAGA voter and anyone involved in oil
There is a certain subset of rich MAGA who have no issue with electric cars, particularly techbro types who love Elon Musk. Those are also the types who can afford to buy Cybertrucks in particular.
So I would say yeah most Tesla owners aren’t MAGA types but Cybertrucks? Fuck those people.
People who can’t imagine anything outside of their immediate worldview are part of the reason we’re in this mess.
It’s also really easy to imagine a list of reasons why someone would have wanted a car and then regretted getting it after finding out the CEO is a Nazi.
It's insane to me that people think the far right are the primary owners of electric cyberpunk trucks. Hell, back when the preorders for Cybertrucks started, Elon hadn't even bought twitter. Most of the right back then wouldn't touch those electric vehicles with a 10 foot pole.
There's an oldish guy with a cybertruck that eats at the southern food buffet on the regular in the shopping center where I work. I've never met the guy, but his demeanor is off-putting in a particular type of way. His cybertruck also has a hitch.
Literally driving home from a therapist appointment, on the opposite side of the freeway I saw a Cybertruck in a lime green wrap.
Nobody buys a Cybertruck because it's a good vehicle. They buy a Cybertruck because they want to flaunt their wealth being enough that they can afford driving around in Elon's metal brick of shit.
By the time the cybertruck came out there were better alternatives for less money. Elon had already bought Twitter and was already off the rails MAGA. People knew what they were getting into.
We bought an X in 2023. We haven't had any issues with it and we like it a lot more than the Cayenne we had before it. Us owning Teslas has absolutely nothing to do with Elon though. I would prefer they find a new CEO. I can't see myself in any other brand of car though. I would consider a Rivian (Lucid doesn't sell enough annually for me to feel comfortable buying one.) I just refuse to buy from an actual dealership after experiencing ease of purchase.
Not if you need to charge several times to get up to the mountains and back. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of the R1T, but as an owner of a Nissan Leaf and a Model Y having a dedicated charging network makes owning an EV a dramatically better experience. Charging on the Leaf is a miserable and stressful experience.
How so? Genuinely curious. I've never had enough money to own an EV lol but seriously thought about it with the Colorado EV we just had where you could lease a leaf for like $30/mon
There are no standards. You have to sign up for a different charging service by region, download an app. You show up you don’t know if the chargers are occupied or worse broken with no plans to ever repair, b/c YMMV on if the company actually maintains their chargers. You have to do all your route planning beforehand and hope when you show up charging is available, and you might be stuck waiting around. Or stuck downloading an app. Or hoping you have enough charge to get to the next charging station. Tesla to their credit directs you to the cheapest, available chargers. Does all the route planning. Preconditions your battery. With a Tesla a road trip doesn’t take any longer than a gas vehicle. At the end of the day it’s a good American company with talented engineers, and I look forward to supporting them again someday after they lose the Nazi.
With a Tesla a road trip doesn’t take any longer than a gas vehicle.
Ehhhhh, yeah it does. Especially if you have to charge more than once, and also want to arrive at your destination with a useable charge. Mind you, I don't really care too much about the extra time, but it's nowhere near as fast as gassing up and going.
I think Tesla is doing Model 3 leases for under $400 a month. I would imagine you could get other EVs that low as well right? Like is Chevy doing the Blazer EV for cheaper now? I know I kept seeing ads for an $899 Hummer EV lease which is a lot of money monthly, but I thought it was a killer deal for a $100k vehicle. I didn't see the details though.
I apologize if I'm assuming you can afford that I don't know your financial situation at all. It's honestly just insane how expensive vehicles have gotten since 2019.
My wife and I live in TX (voted blue our entire lives) and she purchased a Model Y for all the reasons you listed. She looked hard at the Hyundai Ioniq because I drive a hybrid Hyundai but due to the rebates the Model Y was actually cheaper.
There is absolutely no excuse to vandalize Teslas of hard-working Americans. If some angry idiot comes on my property to vandalize or do god-knows-what else I will shoot them dead with no compunction. I have a newborn in my house and someone crazy enough to trespass in TX is crazy enough to harm my family.
Seriously. “Let’s go destroy some likely democrats property, that’ll show trump” is the dumbest most cowardly shit in the world. Yes, boycott. Yes sell the stock and cancel your preorders… I did. No don’t fuck with the people or their property when they were trying to make the best, we’ll-intentioned decision at the time, and is probably (or would have been) sympathetic to your cause.
Yeah, fuck Musk and everyone like him but attacking each other when we are in the midst of an Oligarchy would be laughable if it weren't so depressing.
They don’t have shame, and they never will have shame. My parents unprompted texted me they were worried they would be targeted because they have one. I told them to sell their Nazi truck and buy any other equally capable electric truck. They told me why should they. I told them because Elon is a Nazi, and sent that picture. They told me “his heart goes out to us” and I said consider me dead because refuse to associate with nazis.
I’m lucky my in laws are sane and normal working class people and will help us with these upcoming hard times.
Yeah, I never put these re-badgings down distancing themselves. More to avoid vandalism. I mean if you want to distance yourself or disassociate from Musk and Trump then sell the car Shirley?
I’m a huge Tesla (cars, not necessarily Musk) fan. I drive a 2024 Model X Plaid. Before that I had a model Y. Great cars. My Model X was recently at the service center for a repair. They gave me a Cybertruck as a loaner. I FELT LIKE SUCH A DOOSHBAG driving it. The shame was real. In any other Tesla I feel fine.,,
I know a guy who was on a waitlist before it came out and bought it right on release. If anyone mentions it he quickly shares that fact.
I don’t know in how he truly feels deep down, but he is quick to try to distance himself from the musk of today and implies he would not buy the same truck today.
I could see it. It was announced in 2019 before Elon completely lost it. It had a cult following from the start. I would agree that by time it launched, Elon was already pretty bad, I could see a handful of people not paying much attention to that and still buying it. Not many, but some.
I remember seeing cybertrucks on the road before being aware of all the controversy with musk. Whenever I say this people on Reddit say I must've been living in a cave... Lol
I think some people just like that it was a really outside of the box design. Like, if it had actually been a well constructed vehicle that operated as promised, I don't see anything wrong with it.
There are a lot of examples of design, art, and architecture that are at least at first considered to be ugly, and then gain acceptance. Example of another car that's kind of ugly would be the VW Bug, but now it's an icon.
If the cyber truck had come roaring out of the showroom, effortlessly zipping up sheer rock faces, fording previously unpassable rapids, and crossing deserts on a single charge, It would be the coolest car in the world. Instead, it randomly shuts down, risk chopping off your fingers when you open close the trunk, and apparently can't get very wet. Therefore, it looks silly, and it is silly.
There are a whole bunch of other stupid and dangerous features about it that you haven't mentioned... Why do you think it's been largely banned across Europe? Because of its crappy looks?
Yeah, they're shit trucks. That's my entire point. I didn't want to go through every single little thing that's wrong with them because that would have taken forever. However, most people are simply commenting on their looks, and it certainly would have been possible to make a fantastic truck that looks liike the Cybertruck does. The Cybertruck is simply not that truck.
Even on looks it's a fail. There is a requirement that there should be no sharp edges along front (and rear) panels that might hit pedestrians to reduce injuries (there is also a requirement for these to be fairly easily collapsible crumple zones for the same reasons). So this truck fails even on 'looks' because of its sharp angular edges.
The Cybertruck pre-orders went up before Biden took office (Nov 2019). Elon has been a known douche since the submarine incident, but didn't go off-the-rails cuckoo for fascism puffs (or at least make it public) until ~2022. There's a gap there for people to give them the benefit of the doubt, I'd say.
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u/LoudLee88 23d ago
I can’t imagine a person buying a cybertruck and then feeling shame about it later. I can’t imagine them feeling shame about anything.