r/politics • u/Murky-Site7468 I voted • 8d ago

Soft Paywall The Biggest Scandal of the Second Trump Term Isn’t “Signalgate” | The national-security chat debacle certainly merits attention. But the Trump administration is now blatantly disappearing students and others who are in the country legally.

https://newrepublic.com/article/193291/trump-disappearing-students-rumeysa-ozturk-rubio-biggest-scandal
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u/Thin_Ad_2046 8d ago

Scandal is such a gentle word for masked men kidnapping women off the streets for writing an op-ed.

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u/Green-Amount2479 8d ago

It’s state terrorism of an authoritarian regime. Plain and simple. I wish the media would just call it what it is instead.

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u/SchmartestMonkey 8d ago

Anyone who dares to try and defend this should be asked how they would feel if they were legally in any other country.. especially a first-world ally, and they were grabbed up by masked men, thrown into an unmarked vehicle and held without charges because of their expressed political opinions.

Could you imagine the hair-on-fire screaming and calls for a declaration of war if Steve Bannon (or any other American right-wing agitator) was grabbed up like this in any European country?

This is 100% straight-up Stasi shit. They're the raptors testing the fence.. they'll try this on US political opponents next if we can't figure out how to slap this down now.

The other thing that terrifies me is that they've actually managed to single out people like this. How many people in the US knew anything about this student before her kidknapping? Even people who actually read her Op-Ed probably didn't bother to look at the author's names or.. if they did.. forgot them 30 seconds later. They're actively looking for people to treat like this. They're not reacting to actual (or imagined) threats to the US.. they're actively looking for people to punish. That should terrify everyone.

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u/Cute-Contract-6762 8d ago

It doesn’t stop here either. If they can do this, what is to stop them from doing the same to people who are naturalized citizens? And then to people born here? It’s never just got to stop at a certain point

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u/CuddaShuddaWudda 8d ago

Exactly!! So scary!! Why are people putting up with this shit? We can’t wait for mid terms. Where are our representatives that we ELECTED into office and why are not sharing the same anger???

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u/SchmartestMonkey 8d ago

Hitler was elected Chancellor in 33. It wasn’t till ‘38 that he was demanding the Sudetenland.

Trump has already launched an attack into Sudan, threatened to launch missiles into Mexico and has lobbed veiled (and sometimes overt) threats at Greenland, Panama, and Canada.

We are speed-running into Fascism. We’re replaying the rise of the Nazis on 12X speed.

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u/allneonunlike 8d ago edited 8d ago

They’re working with the Israeli doxxing org/Shin Bet project Canary Mission, which has spent years compiling and publishing lists of students and professors who criticize Israel. They’re singling out exemplary people to punish— doctorate students, two Fulbright scholars, a cancer doctor, a Cheverning scholar— to send the message that even if you follow the rules, even if you’re the most respectable person imaginable, they will still come for you. All the old ideals about wanting immigrants who would be a credit to this country thrown in the trash. Rumesya only wrote an op-ed, but she wasn’t selected from the list because she had a high profile in the BDS or student encampment movements, but because she was a Fulbright scholar they wanted to make an example of.

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u/NickelBackwash 8d ago

Terrifying people is the point. 

It's literal terrorism. 

They want the people scared.

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u/elihu 8d ago

They're actively looking for people to treat like this. They're not reacting to actual (or imagined) threats to the US.. they're actively looking for people to punish.

That's probably part of it, but also I think they wanted to establish a precedent of apprehending people they don't like, and the most likely way to succeed is by targeting someone that they don't think the Democratic party is going to stick their neck out to defend. (Once that's accomplished they can move on to other targets like journalists, scientists, lawyers, political leaders, and so on.)

The Democratic leadership is unlikely to speak out to defend someone who they think of as a political liability and who was critical of Biden policies, and the blue MAGA internet hoards (or propagandists and AI chatbots imitating the same) are going to point and laugh and say "leopards ate her face".

The best defense against this is to protest loudly now and not throw anybody under the bus.

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u/ratlunchpack 8d ago

It was my understanding she was already on a list being monitored by the Israeli government. I would assume they just handed their wishlist over to Trump team and said “have at.” But the biggest purveyors of social media and personal data are at the presidents disposal.

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u/rainblowfish_ Georgia 8d ago

Anyone who dares to try and defend this should be asked how they would feel if they were legally in any other country.. especially a first-world ally, and they were grabbed up by masked men, thrown into an unmarked vehicle and held without charges because of their expressed political opinions.

They all just say they wouldn't dare speak on politics if they were a visitor in a foreign country.

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u/ikatako38 8d ago

They just keep saying, “Try this in another country and see what happens. The U.S. is the only country that’s this lenient and that has to change”

Like… no??? I’m on a student visa in Japan rn and I can guarantee you that I could write something bad about the government and not be kidnapped by masked men and deported.

Even if I overstayed my visa here, I still would not be put on a plane and sent to a prison in El Salvador indefinitely—if they eventually found out they’d probably just give me the chance to self-deport. Or worst-case scenario forced deportation.

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u/stevez_86 Pennsylvania 8d ago

The Kristi Noem ad during the Super Bowl was nothing but putting fear into the lives of those who are here, documented or not. It literally told people to leave so they don't get hurt.

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u/BroHeart 8d ago

Kristi Noem is a dog murdering piece of shit.

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u/mr_mikado 8d ago

Republicans cannot see two seconds into the future, that they're ushering in their own ruin. Because hate is the dominating political force now-a-days, when the political pendulum swings populist hard left, I fully expect members of The Federalist Society, Heritage Foundation and other such terrorist organizations like the Proud Boys to be deported to the bottom of the ocean.

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u/glenn_ganges 8d ago

If and when that happens they will turn to terrorism. There will be bombings and such like The Troubles in Ireland.

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u/Murky-Relation481 8d ago

I mean at this point some form of bloodletting seems inevitable. There have rarely been moments in history where these circumstances exist and things just go back to normal.

Honestly I've been saying this since 2012. The rhetoric after Obama got elected a second time really showed that there was no intention for the right to come back to the table and have meaningful and productive discourse.

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u/EIU86 8d ago

Former GW Bush speechwriter David Frum said that if voters reject American conservatives' ideas, they will not change their positions; instead they will abandon democracy. You can certainly argue that's what's happening now.

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u/Mikolaj_Kopernik Australia 8d ago

Maybe I'm misunderstanding this quote but isn't Frum just describing any ideology? For example, if (as) climate activists keep losing at the ballot box, do you expect them to just go "fair enough, you got us, drill on guys"?

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u/beforethewind New Jersey 8d ago

I mean... I think that one quote is pretty direct lol

If conservatives become convinced they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy. The stability of American society depends on conservatives' ability to find a way forward from the Trump dead end, toward a conservatism that can not only win elections but also govern responsibly, a conservatism that is culturally modern, economically inclusive, and environmentally responsible...

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u/work4work4work4work4 8d ago

For example, if (as) climate activists keep losing at the ballot box, do you expect them to just go "fair enough, you got us, drill on guys"?

Nah, they mostly resorted to monkey wrenching and attacks on the infrastructure after decades and decades of being ignored and suppressed.

They did not try to overthrow democratic norms, they simply rejected the law and order argument preventing them from acting, and mostly accepting said consequences as a part of raising awareness.

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u/ShameBasedEconomy 8d ago

Unfortunately, I agree. Historians will argue about when the second American civil war started, but I believe it’s likely that this year it will go kinetic. The rhetoric around colleges and universities is setting up for a situation that could spark like Kent State did, and I don’t see this administration deescalating after the first incident at a protest. Quite the opposite, they’re looking for an excuse.

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u/StunningStrain8 8d ago

But then we’ll have a kick ass country like Ireland is now in… oh dear…

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u/inkoDe 8d ago

They pivoted to that in the 90s, we still refuse to reign in domestic terror.

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u/awesomefutureperfect 8d ago

I just hope that if democracy and human rights prevails that NATO helps America complete reconstruction and put "lost cause" narratives in the dustbin of history where they belong and bring back new deal type agencies that focus on providing education and healthcare the way they electrified rural areas. That said, europe hasn't completely rid itself of reactionary forces either.

They want to believe their politics did nothing historically wrong and their revisionist narratives need to go. They get very upset that they think people are just trying to shame them instead of trying to get them to put the past behind them and develop into a better more just society that lives up to American ideals and things need to be addressed so that those ideals stop being betrayed by the usual suspects.

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u/Bobswife72 8d ago

This current administration is nothing but a bunch of losers that don’t know anything about their job and are total racists

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u/stevez_86 Pennsylvania 8d ago

I do believe they are just the disruptive students in school that swore they could do a better job than the teacher. Usually the same people that would smack a bee hive despite you warning them not to, and justifying it because they didn't know what would happen, how could you possibly know.

It's just oppositional defiant disorder run amok. They would normally just be sociopaths, but because they are stupid sociopaths that have been deprived of the meaning of a lot of life experiences, including those that lead to the development of the Theory of Mind, they have nothing to offer in opposition to any other party influencing their life, so they operate on straight defiance. If someone is so bold enough to presume they are smarter than you, the best thing to do is prove the opposite of what they say is true. They cannot know something you do not, so you do it. If everything turns out fine you just proved them wrong. And if something does go wrong then it must have been due to unforeseen circumstances and not because the other person was right. They demand in every interaction that you prove a negative and that if they haven't experienced it, it cannot happen any other way than how they foresee, and since they lack that ability they just go in the opposite direction than what is input.

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u/espressocycle 8d ago

People have been waiting for the pendulum to swing back for the last 45 years.

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u/mr_mikado 8d ago

Political gravity happens, it's inevitable.

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u/drewbert 2d ago

Not necessarily. With the media bought, ai algorithms being deployed to make each person docile and complacent, every person carrying a little propaganda delivery device on their person at all times, we could just be hosed.

Ecosystems tend toward stable equilibriums, but extinction events still happen. You're deluded if you think we cannot fall into a centuries-long fascist shithole.

You have to make the future you want. It will not happen out of inevitability.

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u/shah_reza 8d ago

From your mouth to God’s ears

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u/Nervous_Pipe_6716 8d ago

We can always wish. What they refuse to see is that when they are no longer useful they will be gotten rid of too. People who are so easily used can not be trusted to stay loyal to anyone

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u/Hercules1579 8d ago

They keep winning elections we thought it would end after Bush, then again after Trump’s first term. But they control the Supreme Court, the majority of state legislatures, and by extension, the rules that govern elections. Add to that a well-funded conservative media machine backed by billionaires, and it’s hard to call any of this a level playing field. If it were fair on its face, maybe. But it’s not. It’s checkmate.

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u/roastbeeftacohat 8d ago

their goal is to make opposition to them illegal.

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u/Mikolaj_Kopernik Australia 8d ago

lol good one

Assuming there are even fair elections, Democrats will put forward an insipid centrist as usual and bury their heads in the sand trying to "restore norms".

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u/OriginalAcidKing 8d ago

To Guantanamo with them, with none of its historical niceties.

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u/JimmyJump1982 8d ago

That would absolutely necessitate the takeover of the Democratic Do-Nothing Party by the real leftists of America... PRAYERS that it happens!

Biden and Merrick Garland should've put Trump and his cadre of traitors in Gitmo the MOMENT he left office for his crimes, including insurrection. Had they done so, we might not be here.

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u/mr_mikado 8d ago

Centrism doesn't work in the face of extremism, so I expect we'll see a shift or the left must accept subjugation forever -- I don't suspect they'll accept being tread on forever.

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u/Bobswife72 8d ago

I just saw her add what a heartless witch

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u/roastbeeftacohat 8d ago

be exact, it was a puppy.

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u/Virtual_Band_7316 8d ago

No, don’t put her on a pedestal, please! 😊

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u/Dry-Perspective-4663 8d ago

… and goats too.

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u/hopefaith816 8d ago

Did you see the video she did yesterday or a couple of days ago when she went to El Salvador? She had the prisoners in a cell behind her while she talked about this is what happens when you enter our country illegally. It was disgusting. It's below.

DHS, Kristi Noem Visiting El Salvador

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u/stevez_86 Pennsylvania 8d ago

She is only a few decisions away from putting one down on camera like she did the puppy and goat. That was always a resume item, not a scandal to her. She would do the dirty work and Trump believes that is why he was elected.

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u/Johnfohf 8d ago

The media will never call it what it is. They are owned by the ones doing it.

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u/UncommitedOtter 8d ago

Because the media helped cause it. For over a year there have been all major media outlets calling pro-palestine protestors terrorists, along with Democratic leadership calling them terrorists.

They would have to reflect that their insane zionism directly led to this outcome.

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u/doctormink 8d ago

I mean has no one read the fucking poem??? “First they came for …”

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u/Jorsonner Pennsylvania 8d ago

They’ll be next then.

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u/ShrigmaSupreme 8d ago

Media is bought and paid for they'll do no such thing

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u/Gizmoed 8d ago

It took them 5 years to call the orange turd a liar on TV. The solution is simple spend money sending truth to Americans, reverse 40 years of lies, also hold people accountable.

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u/frank_the_tank69 8d ago

If only the people could protest and show their voice, rather than feeling good about some rally sizes. 

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u/Senior-Albatross New Mexico 8d ago

American media is chickenshit useless and yet so incredibly self-aggrandizing. 

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u/Persephoth 8d ago

Correct.

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u/ClassicVast1704 8d ago

They’re complicit in that the glossing over allows them to profit harder I guess? Personally doing my own little protest and not watching as much because it serves me no more purpose. I hope they end imploding viewership wise. Sad the world is moving towards some sort of mob mentality around authoritarianism.

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u/Useful_Smoke_6976 8d ago

And it's only a matter of time until they start doing it to Democrats, then anyone they label "liberal," and then any "RINOs"

And Trump's base will clap like it's a good thing.

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u/PotentialCase5161 8d ago

The media is all paid for and in the pockets of the billionaires that have a vested interest in keeping this quiet. The revolution will not be televised.

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u/Pretty-Little-Lyra 8d ago edited 8d ago

Marco Rubio took away her visa so they can deport her. She’s been here since she was 7

Edit: She came here in 2018, 7 years ago. Not since she was 7. Don’t want to spread the wrong information but here’s more details:

https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/27/us/rumeysa-ozturk-detained-what-we-know/index.html

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u/kandoras 8d ago

They didn't deport her.

Deportations have court records and proceedings and you know what happened to the people in them.

This is just kidnapping and human trafficking.

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u/CaterpillarJungleGym 8d ago

Is he the guy who's Dad was a Cuban dissident and refugee?

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u/illstealurcandy Florida 8d ago

His parents came here before the revolution, they weren't dissidents nor were they refugees.

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u/Few_Recording3486 8d ago

Lots of things aren't true these days. Doesn't stop people from saying otherwise.

Marco Rubio's parents were dissidents and refugees from Cuba.

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u/Bobswife72 8d ago

Rubio and his family need to go back to Cuba

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u/Few_Recording3486 8d ago

I don't have anything against his whole family. He can go by himself, of course.

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u/Reef-Mortician 8d ago

You don't know the Cuban people. His family holds the same beliefs. Exile Cubans are very consistent with their political views

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u/FlipWildBuckWild 8d ago

You’re doing it wrong. You’re supposed to pick a specific member of the family to harass and potentially lock up.

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u/highlandviper 8d ago

Rubio certainly doesn’t sound like a traditional American name.

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u/Nervous_Pipe_6716 8d ago

Either way what matters is he is another member of this regime that believe they are above the constitution. In other words TRAITORS.

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u/NorthRoseGold 8d ago

I heard they were definitely refugees

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u/Its_fine22223 8d ago

Apparently they came before the revolution as economic migrants, but Rubio framed the narrative as one of exile to resonate with Cuban Americans in Florida. Soooo…turns out he was disingenuous all along.

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u/bvan_mim619 8d ago

That’s exactly right

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u/Psychicgoat2 8d ago

They came in 1957. They were not refugees.

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u/illstealurcandy Florida 8d ago

They immigrated before the revolution, and have no record of dissent against Bautista or Castro. They were neither.

The difference is significant for families like mine who did dissent against dictators and were forced into exile.

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u/AlarmingAffect0 8d ago

I wonder how relations are between Cubans who left because of Bautista and ones who left because of Castro.

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u/Few_Recording3486 8d ago

I mean no disrespect for what your family went through. I was just trying to get the point across that people will just say shit without anything to back it up these days, and other people are ready to just believe it because it aligns with their previously held believes/notions/feelings.

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u/elebrin 8d ago

Many of the elite, wealthy people from Cuba were getting American money before the revolution, and they were legally allowed to come to the US when we and they knew everything was about to get violent.

The Cubans who came to the US were predominantly the former oligarchs and mobsters of Cuba and the people they liked. These are the people that the Cuban revolution explicitly wanted to kill and take the wealth of, and of course the US protected them. To the people they were criminals. It's also why a lot of Hispanic groups absolutely hate the Cuban descendants in the US.

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u/friendofelephants 8d ago

Rubio is a birthright citizen! Perfect example of a guy who got his and wants to deny others. This is some serious scary shit that they're doing. I would not be surprised if the U.S. has its own Tiananmen Square under Trump.

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u/Zafnick Maine 8d ago

Yeah, protests. Protests is the word that I was thinking. Protests, nothing else.

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u/drunkcowofdeath 8d ago

Careful, no one upvote this or Reddit will get mad at you.

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u/SDEWagain 8d ago

Reddit admins are in for a big surprise in the future after trying so hard for so long to stop anyone from discussing how to stop a fascist takeover.

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u/GaptistePlayer American Expat 8d ago

The DNC would fight that harder than they ever will Trump and the GOP

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u/GetEquipped Illinois 8d ago

The DNC did more to stop Bernie and Progressive policy than they ever did to resist Trump.

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u/Tasty-Chart-5096 8d ago

The DNC has rolled over on its belly and is voting with the GOP. What are you talking about

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u/ribblesquat Minnesota 8d ago

They're agreeing with you. They're saying the DNC would side with the GOP against the citizenry when it comes to direct action against tyranny.

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u/Tasty-Chart-5096 8d ago

Oh! My bad. Not enough coffee this morning 😔

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u/ribblesquat Minnesota 8d ago

No worries! There's not enough coffee in the world to stay constantly alert amongst all this bullshit.

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u/nonotan 8d ago

Legal protests.
Under no circumstances anything beyond that.
Indeed, I would advise checking with your lawyer first, just in case.
Going beyond what's legal could have dire consequences.
It would be entirely ill-advised.

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u/654456 8d ago

they will be legal protests until they finish ripping up the blll of rights.

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u/SDEWagain 8d ago

"The protests will remain bloodless if the right allows them to be"

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u/Zano10 8d ago

I mean at this point it doesn't even take more than a legal protest it seems. We're at the point where you can have your visa taken away and deported because they disagree with you.

Denaturalization will be next, and the step after that is genuinely terrifying.

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u/HankyPankyKong 8d ago edited 8d ago

These are the moments that the 2nd amendment was written for. Right to bear arms is meant to prevent tyranny.

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u/buythedipnow 8d ago

Keep in mind that every single Democrat in the senate voted to confirm Rubio. I wonder why voter turnout for the Dems suck.

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u/laconchadetuhermanat 8d ago

Agreed. Peaceful and persistent is the way.

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u/Slayer1973 8d ago

All magats need to be deported to Siberia.

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u/_Standardissue 8d ago

Hey that’s not kind to Siberia

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u/Whiterabbit-- 8d ago

who would dare to do that when he can make you disappear. the whole kidnapping them during the day in public is to send a message of fear. these are not covert ops to remove dangerous people and deny doing so. this is flaunting a message for people not to go against the administration.

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u/PocketTornado 8d ago

They can't make everyone disappear... this is why we need massive numbers.

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u/Falco98 8d ago

Marco Rubio took away her visa so they can deport her.

And it's not just her. Google "Frengel Reyes Mota" for another example - no criminal record, no gang involvement, not even an anti-israel protestor apparently - just an asylumn-seeker disappeared one day by ICE and sent to an El Salvadorean torture prison.

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u/Pretty-Little-Lyra 8d ago

Can we start documenting these somewhere?

There was also a Russian medical researcher, Kseniia Petrova, who got detained by ICE for supporting Ukraine war. She brought in sample frog embryos and she forgot to declare it. Instead of CBP giving her a $500 fine, they want to deport her back to Putin for supporting Ukraine

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u/jdtrouble 8d ago

Also look up the soccer player who threw gang signs (literally, "I love you" in ASL)

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u/Odd_Perfect 8d ago

Marco Rubio just making shit up saying she was committing crimes.

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u/galtoramech8699 8d ago

And the reasoning is well just because

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u/tobmom 8d ago

No it’s because she’s brown

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u/Racthoh 8d ago

Not white is the reason.

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u/frogsgoribbit737 8d ago

Youre thinking of another women who has been here since she was 7 but courts won't let them detain her thankfully. She is still having to fight for her right to stay here though

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u/Pretty-Little-Lyra 8d ago

All these people need to be documented collectively somewhere. I don’t think people realize this is happening everywhere and very quickly without due process

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u/deadlybydsgn 8d ago

Edit: She came here in 2018, 7 years ago. Not since she was 7. Don’t want to spread the wrong information but here’s more details:

Thanks for retracting and disclaiming. Some people may call you pedantic, but I really feel this kind of honesty and transparency matters. If we aren't good enough to do this, we care more about "winning" than what's true.

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u/Usualy-lost-152 8d ago

I think it is paramount that people get facts correctly or we become the same as Trump supporter. Our arguments lose validity. Thanks for encouraging that and I wish EVERYONE would learn how important that is.

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u/Jolly_koala819 8d ago

I think you got mixed up with A 21-year-old Columbia University student who has lived in the United States since she was 7 (a legal permanent resident ).

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u/photoman51 8d ago

No the girl who came here with parents at age 7 was the Korean girl who is sueing the Trump admin for wrongfully abduction and 1st amendment violations

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u/Ok-Quail4189 8d ago

We have literal concentration camps and nobody is doing anything… it’s fucking disgusting

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u/IJustLoggedInToSay- Illinois 8d ago

I mean.. we've had our own extrajudicial off-shore torture prison since 2002 and everyone thought it was totally fine because it's only for "terrorists" who aren't Americans. Can't be talking about "hey maybe we shouldn't be abducting and torturing people without due process and holding them for decades without any charges or evidence" because then you're pro-terrorism.

This is all a natural extension of the Patriot Act, Dept of Homeland Security, anti-terrorism legislation, Gitmo, etc. The only thing surprising is how it took this long to start targeting political enemies as "terrorists" and "national security risks".

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u/Ok-Quail4189 8d ago

This 💯 and then they wonder how could they loose the election if they had such a great time campaigning with Liz Cheney

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u/Bocchi_theGlock 8d ago

They're still building the big ones, just wait

Issue is existing protests are largely performative, about registering dissent outrage instead of winning anything. Too many overlapping constituencies, narrative, demands instead of clear cut ones with named decision makers.

Protests that demand things from admin are not going to work, they're really not susceptible to pressure.

Need to try to pressure the folks that legitimize and normalize their BS - funders, other elected officials, people they rely on and have contracts with who are more vulnerable.

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u/OmegaKitty1 8d ago

Including yourself…. What are you waiting for?

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u/h3lblad3 8d ago

We’ve had them for some time. Remember the last Trump Administration? Hell, I don’t even think Biden got rid of them; news just filtered off.

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u/Ok-Quail4189 8d ago

We have detention centers and many people transition thru when they get deported… but nothing like what we have now where legal residents and being incarcerated in these detention camps for supporting Gaza or tourists are being kept there indefinitely because some TSA agent wanted to meet their quota. In Miami Jerome detention center is full and the conditions are inhumane. All because some facists are following orders and detaining people for absolutely no reason just to hit the quota they were assigned.

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u/Prophet_Tehenhauin 8d ago

At least we ensured the government was funded so they can get paid while kidnapping women. 

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u/Delicious_Toad 8d ago

Well, sure! I mean, look-- nobody thinks it's good that a secret police force is kidnapping people off the street in broad daylight for thought crimes. That's obviously not good. 

But can you imagine if they didn't have the funds to kidnap people at all? That would be anarchy!

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u/Psyc3 8d ago

America elected a rapist, what does anyone expect?

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u/Red49er 8d ago

hey, they're revoking the visas first so .... they're honestly overachieving what some of us expected

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u/MMigali 8d ago

Don’t forget he is also a massive Convicted Felon .

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u/Fernandop00 8d ago

Schumer probably gave Rubio the list of students.

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u/bradicality 8d ago

Yes, never forget this bullshit on behalf of Israel is bipartisan

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u/SV_Essia 8d ago

Schumer's list, the sequel nobody asked for.

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u/VoodooBat 8d ago

Indirectly yes. He’s fully supportive of them and their clandestine operations targeting American citizens and residents. Many of the recent disappeared people were targeted from Cana ry miss ion. Thats a state sponsored surveillance doxing site funded through dark money channels and shell companies straight into that country.

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u/an_agreeing_dothraki 8d ago

but you see they had to, because the left is bad. This is because the left is less outwardly evil than the right, which makes them LIARS.

this is actually what he was arguing on NPR

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u/GuerreroUltimo 8d ago

It the government had not been funded I bet you they would still have the funding. Just that the government and a lot of the oversight still in place would be gone. Very shortsighted to feel like not funding the government would have helped here. They absolutely would have that money. And this president would still be doing things. Much larger mess.

This feels like exactly what I was telling some liberals during the pandemic. And at times since. They do these things and they push enough voters that it allows someone like Trump to win. There is zero chance things get fixed if they are not allowed to fail.

I think mid-terms might show a lot. I know it is not popular to say but a lot of Trump voters are upset at this stuff. They will realize more and more the mistake they made. But more than that I hear a lot of people who did not vote saying they most certainly will turn out next time. And many, many, of those did not vote because of Kamala.

Just to note for any with the idea that a woman cannot win, Clinton won the popular vote. A woman can win. Kamala Harris would never have sniffed a nomination if not put in that position. I said that many times before she was picked as VP. And honestly, Biden would not have won the nomination either. He had all those 3rd-4th place finishes. Bernie Sanders finishing at the top or 2nds. And then they used the S.C. victory as the "Oh, Biden is the one." He even lost a few after that. But they all got behind him and pushed him. All those that supported others got behind him. And that was a mistake.

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u/Johnnydeep4206 8d ago

I know I wish you guys would have shut down the government so Uncle Donnie would be the sole person to decide on what is essential and what was not. That would have def sped up our plans to get the US back on track and cleanse the land of all these illegals. Fingers crossed for next time hopefully they will shut down.

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u/Frequent-Broccoli740 8d ago

Isn't this just in time for the Trump Administration to also have 'accidentally'  lost a shitton of documentation on the Russian government kidnapping and trafficking Ukranian kids?

Nothing fishy at all about that.

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u/Hootinger 8d ago

accidentally'  lost

Did they claim it was an oopsie-doodle? I thought they were open that it was done intentionally.

I'm not arguing, just curious.

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u/Euthyphraud 8d ago

Or perhaps its time for unconstitutional actions to take on these monsters?

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u/OddlyFactual1512 8d ago

I've read The Constitution at least a dozen times. I don't recall any article or amendment that prohibits any action taken against a tyrannical government.

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u/GuerreroUltimo 8d ago

All that will do is make it worse. I know people hate to hear it but take my neighbors for example. The house has 2 families. All MAGA. All armed and talking they have to be ready. Assault rifles, armor penetrating rounds. A hate for anything they deem "liberal or leftist" and for people that are not white. They also have a family that put in a large pull behind camper last year. They are always out shooting and practicing.

More neighbors here like that. They see the Democrats as the enemy right now. They are of the mind that Democats, liberals that is, are trying to give this country away. Said as much right out of their mouths.

Fact, they WANT this. They see it as their chance. People start attacking and they rise up. Trump declares an emergency. Military steps in to keep the piece. They get their power. It is scary because it will happen.

The best thing to do is to keep talking. Democrats need to keep showing the facts. It IS making a difference. It is just going to be slow. I have hard right MAGA family that are just now starting to talk about Trump's lying and stuff. They are a hard-head lot of people. But they will come around.

The only thing we need is for these Democrats and those Republicans like myself that know Trump is a con, liar, thief, and is actually hurting this country on purpose to keep pushing. When all is said and done charge these people will real crimes they are committing. Not Trump, if he is immune thanks to a corrupt SC. But the rest. Trump is old and will be gone soon enough. Get these traitors out.

Just on a note, I know you know this, these people use these shit talking points to obscure what they are doing. Time for people to wake up to freedom. It IS freedom for anyone to live how they want. Someone being LGBTQ+, dressing drag, or whatever is none of my business (or yours) if it does not effect you. And they use these things. Freedom, to them, is only the brand they want you to have.

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u/timelyparadox 8d ago

I wonder if in Germany they also said it was a scandal when jewish people started to dissappear

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u/tiorthan 8d ago

Yes, some did say that. The difference was that back in the 1930s information did not spread as fast as it does today.

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u/timelyparadox 8d ago

The misinformation spreads even faster and that is the issue

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u/cvbeiro 8d ago

Yes some did. Some protested. Some tried to intervene. They disappeared, too. Eventually.

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u/timelyparadox 8d ago

Yea i am being a bit sarcastic here

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u/Mesalted 8d ago

Yes they did, they used the same rethoric Trump uses for immigrants. Then they deported and murdered them industrially. Trump wants to get rid of how many people? How can you accomplish such a feat, when nobody wants to take them, think about that.

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u/seitonseiso 8d ago

They were sent to labour camps (like the US is suggesting prisoners could replace farming hands- due to their own actions against immigrants)

Then they started round up women and children, no longer just Jews (Isreal has a hand in 2025 Palestinian supporters being rounded up), but also POC, foreigners, and sending them to death camps and gas chambers.

It was a slow burn at first, using propaganda to help support their cause over 12 years. Trump is speed running Russia's outcome in 6 months i reckon

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u/offinthepasture 8d ago

Gestapo? Sorry, Gazpacho?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/09/marjorie-taylor-greene-gazpacho-police

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u/nyyanksfan81 8d ago

Her IQ is so low that it's a tripping hazard in hell

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u/Rinnosuke 8d ago

That one's going in my repertoire

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u/fonzwazhere 8d ago

Its whiskeyleaks

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u/Mrqueue 8d ago

The media has lost its teeth. Call it what it is. Illegal abductions from a police state 

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u/ConfusionNo8852 8d ago

I truly wonder how conservatives feel about the fact the government they wanted is disappearing people for nothing more than "Free Speech"- I mean I know that they will respond, "Hell yea thats what I wanted- about time the government squash terrorists!" ... I guess what i mean is "I wonder if they really understand what this means?".

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u/Direct-Fix-2097 8d ago

No, what’s gentle is calling it “disappearing”. “Oh the government is disappearing people”, it sounds so juvenile, immature, infantile and uneducated.

Call it what it is; kidnapping, detention without trial, use proper terms. It’s no wonder the USA is a laughing stock.

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u/BeyondAbleCrip 8d ago

Agreed. Except it’s not just women, it’s anyone they decide is “against” them. Many from Columbia have been deported or removed from sight, family members have no contact, no idea what happened to their loved ones. This is going to get so much worse. From the linked article:

“But the detention and attempted deportation of student activists on spurious grounds—and the use of armed, typically masked agents of the state to do so—perfectly captures the real, menacing story of the second Trump administration. There’s the tortured, spurious defenses of extralegal action; the foaming of the mouth over nonwhite immigrants and “woke” students at elite universities; the criminalization of free speech that runs contrary to that espoused by the MAGA right; and the blatant violation of people’s legal rights.”

Think this sums up what this administration is doing. An administration that I am still not convinced won any election (2016 or 2024) since Russia and Musk made sure who won.

We aren’t even at 100 days and have no idea what is truly happening, only the bits of truth that is making its way to us through eye witness accounts. What’s to stop them from taking any one of us for speaking out? When do those of us who are of the “woke” mind begin to start disappearing? Who will stop them? Think the only answer is we need to stop them. Not sure how, not sure when, but absolutely sure it’s all we have for any type of recourse. We need to stop this by mass protests. I do not see any other way around this. If we truly “take to the streets” for days and shut down our infrastructure, shut down the patriarchy, demand the people take back the people’s house! It is the only way to stop the end of our democracy, which has already fallen. We have travel advisories for the U.S. since this began…when is enough, enough?

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u/GrouperAteMyBaby 8d ago

Wonder what they'll call the inevitable death flights.

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u/nucumber 8d ago

Not just an op ed, but an op ed that argues against dear leader's poliicies

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u/WitnessedTheBatboy 8d ago edited 8d ago

It feels like it has not yet dawned on most Americans that most if not all of these people getting disappeared are not coming back alive. This is how the holocaust started

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u/CannaisseurFreak 8d ago

We also had a ….check notes… scandal from 1933 til 1945

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u/Nettleberry 8d ago

Taking the page right out of the book of June 4th, 1989.

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u/CherryLongjump1989 8d ago

There were women kidnappers there too.

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u/KlatuuBarradaNicto 8d ago

They should call it what it is- state-sponsored kidnapping and false imprisonment.

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u/Eisfreiesspeiseeis 8d ago

Then do something.

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u/SuperRayGun666 8d ago

Just like Iran when women stand against the regime or don’t wear the hijab.    It’s almost like they are the Christian taliban. 

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u/Leesbril 8d ago

Same thing happened to my uncle in '82, in East Germany.

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u/fordat1 8d ago

also sadly the signal thing is worse. i have seen even the conservative subreddit be unhappy over the signal thing. The kidnapping thing abkut 1/3rd of the country cheers about it another 1/3rd thinks it might be good but distasteful like cold medicine and the last 3rd actively thinks its bad

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u/_thankyouverycool_ 8d ago

‘The death of due process’ would’ve worked nicely here!

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u/[deleted] 8d ago

Masked men- you mean gestapo agents?

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u/plant_magnet 8d ago

It isn't a scandal, it is fascist. This shouldn't be some political issue people opine about. It is kidnapping and torture.

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u/Curious_Bee2781 8d ago

It's a scandal. For as long as the far left continues to hate Democrats and refuse to team with them in order to destroy the fascists, there is nothing toothless any of us can do

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u/Threeseriesforthewin 8d ago

We knew that Trump would do this because he literally told us he would arrest and deport protesters

But campus protesters kept demanding that nobody vote for Harris and that Trump couldn't possibly be worse

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u/Simpicity 8d ago

Outrage over the woman being kidnapped by masked thugs in broad daylight is good. It's right.
But I wish to god that when they did the same thing to FOUR HUNDRED MEN, we had a similar response. I get it, women are more sympathetic. Women are probably not members of some Venezuelan gang we've never heard of before. MRA folks are their own worst advocates, but this is what they mean when they say that no one cares about men. They can just be disappeared into slavery for having an autism awareness tattoo, and oh well.

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u/Immediate-Term3475 8d ago

Now DOGE is accessing social media profiles.. c u in Venezuela

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u/[deleted] 8d ago

It isn't a scandal. It is a war crime and needs to be tracked. They have already defunded journalism.

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u/Vegetable-Log8629 8d ago

The Russian mafia has control of the United States government. "Politics" is an anemic word compared to what the situation actually is.

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u/mgn63 8d ago

And masked women

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u/Forsaken-Lake-9880 8d ago

Just wondering why no one is talking about non violent resistance. I see a lot of people asking what they can do, saying protests are being ignored etc. That’s fair, but there are other ways people can be involved so I think the info below could spark some creative thinking.

TLDR there are more ways to push back than protests — get involved and pass this on to every small local organization/group that you can!

I tried posting this myself but I’m new to Reddit so wasn’t allowed. If anyone thinks it’s worthwhile I think it would be great if more people were talking about it:

I see a lot of Americans saying they don’t know what to do to fight back. Here are some ideas…

TLDR - Non violent resistance has been shown to be twice as effective as armed resistance and there are lots of things to do beyond protesting. See links below.

I was reading recently about the power of non-violent resistance and the fact that a small amount of public education can be very effective — essentially the point is to create an ungovernable population. The tactics are non-violent but rarely ineffective. It’s not just about protests — there are a lot of ways to make life impossible for “someone” ;) Of course, boycotts are one method and it seems like we’re doing really well with that one.

Interestingly, research shows that non-violent resistance is twice as likely to succeed as armed resistance. A couple of reasons are that 1) armed resistance buys into the enemies’ game and will only have limited success due to imbalance of access to equipment, and 2) all governing bodies/rulers require the cooperation of the population in order to govern. One of the keys to success is to remain disciplined and not allow violence to break out as this undermines the position of the defenders — both internally and in international eyes.

It seems like this might be worth bringing to the attention of civic and municipal leaders. I think it would work best when implemented at a local level since, if/when it’s necessary, different approaches will make more sense in different locations. I’m attaching a couple of links if anyone is interested. I’m in Calgary and I’m thinking of reaching out with this information to my local representatives at all levels as well as brainstorming some other possibilities like civic clubs and organizations.

https://sandbroo.faculty.politics.utoronto.ca/freedom-is-not-free-canada-and-nonviolent-resistance/

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2019/02/why-nonviolent-resistance-beats-violent-force-in-effecting-social-political-change/#:~:text=Recent%20research%20suggests%20that%20nonviolent%20civil%20resistance,surprising%20finding%20with%20a%20story%20behind%20it.&text=Countries%20in%20which%20there%20were%20nonviolent%20campaigns,—%20whether%20the%20campaigns%20succeeded%20or%20failed

https://www.nonviolenceinternational.net/resources

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u/Semicolons_n_Subtext 8d ago

An unmarked van, masked men in street clothes, no warrants, no advance notice. Abducting innocent women.

How is this not a crime?

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u/EnvironmentalOne7465 4d ago

Visa legally revoked and then deported

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u/randypupjake California 4d ago

They even kidnapped Indigenous Americans

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