The best deal is the one where everyone still wants to work with you after the deal is done. Not necessarily that everyone gets everything they want, but they're still willing to develop the relationship.
Yeah Trump’s book is about how to burnish your ego and feel like you’re winning whether or not you actually are. A better metric is how to establish long term mutually beneficial relationships with others so that you create an entire self sustaining ecosystem around you. Trump knows nothing about that.
Nah. Trump is not different, the people backing him are just way more organized. They were not subtle about any of this. Anyone who believed he wouldn't do the things he and his people literally said they wanted to do, is willfully ignorant. People like this are not trustworthy. All it will take is a slightly better lie to get them to turn on us again. Admitting you were wrong about something so obvious doesn't deserve praise.
Trump 1.0 was forced into surrounding himself with more typical NeoLib Republicans who kept their same usual trajectory of just mildly fucking Americans and the budget without making too much of a splash.
Trump 2.0 is embracing the more radicals who openly want to tear America down and rebuild it into a white nationalist Oligarchy.
Yeah, he's not admitting we were right by the way. He's just saying trump 2.0 is different,,, but he couldn't figure it out ahead of time,,, but he's also a "man of honor".
And trump 2.0 is like a revamped version of Trump? If anything is just Trump knowing full well that he either dies in office or stays in office until dying. Democracy is not longer an option for him.
ya, 2.4 million views, it wasn't going away! Its interesting he's addressing it publicly they must be getting a lot of calls over at geiger, trying to calm some nerves maybe!
He was debating it, that’s why he had to say it out loud. Part of him wanted to delete it, but then he had to remind himself of who he was and wants to be. I don’t think this is about humble bragging, I think this is about fighting the natural instinct to save face
Honestly, I hate the way that some guys can only admit to shortcomings by twisting it into a kind of meta self-compliment. I knew a guy who would refer to cheating on his spouse by saying “I’m a big enough man to admit that I made a mistake.”
I always thought there was something deeply pathetic about how he could only possibly acknowledge betraying his wife if he could transform it into an opportunity to mention how honest and self-knowledgeable he was. Embarrassing.
I'd agree. In a world where a Politician will say one thing on live TV or in a tweet, and literally the next day, scream about how they didn't say that; the ability to admit he said something that was wrong, AND HE LEARNED FROM IT is huge. I sincerely hope more people follow this example. Even if I don't necessarily agree with him on anything else.
Why? The trump supporters premise is that he was wrong about trump honoring his word, ppl who support trump don't even believe him.
It's a damning indictment, he was wrong about trump being honest, with his support for trump built on the premise that Trump's just lying to the rest of us.
He based his professional viewpoint upon "(fairly stupid) partisans on the left". He deserves ridicule for that alone - but then to be proven wrong and own it, thats just what one is supposed to do. Its called Integrity, but its become so foreign that it just doesn't occur to us when we see it but don't recognize it immediately.
Guy believed in Trump and he looks foolish. Thats what happens to you when you put your trust in him. But its a cult.
If he's like most of the folks on /r/conservative, they are still pleased they voted for Trump because of multiple "good" policies he has put in place. This one, eentsy-weentsy bad policy doesn't detract from the overall greater good as they see it.
The problem being that this "eentsy-weentsy" bad policy is literally taking a sledgehammer to US economic supremacy on the world scale. As long as Trump deports brown people and has DOGE take a sledgehammer to our institutions, they're happy to let the origin of US world-order and wealth turn to ash right before our very eyes, not to mention our 401ks.
It's just sus because if you've trusted trump before, you should know where it leads by now. When Trump tells him tomorrow that this is now a "golden age" will he go through this whole loop again?
That follow-up barely counts for anything when it's used as an opportunity to humblebrag ("I'm a man on honor") and backtrack ("well ackshually Trump 2.0 is very different, other than that I was totally right, you know! ☝️🤓"). Nowadays I am finding it increasingly difficult to be forgiving of people who believe, trust, and worship Trump, especially after the decades of Trump proving himself to be an evil charlatan.
That fuckwit, "Trump 2.0"? Trump didn't change, he just managed to ditch his somewhat sane handlers and surround himself with worshippers. Trump 2.0 is Trump 1.0 unfiltered.
it's hard to really even credit him with "Trump is acting different this time around" no he's not, he wanted to do all this kind of shit the first time but there were adults in the room to stop him!!! WHERE ARE THEY ALL NOW?!?!?
I hate Trump just as much as everyone else, but I like to take these things at face value. He’s not implying “who could have seen it coming?” He admits he was wrong, simple as that.
Doesn’t matter that he does. He should be taken at face value. If he says things that look like he is planning to commit voter fraud, force a 3rd term, do stupid shit like tariffs. It should have been taken at face value, even if he genuinely never would have done it.
We shouldn’t be voting for people like that, hard stop. They shouldn’t even be allowed in politics.
They twist themselves into knots trying to believe he's a business genius and not the incompetent, Semi-literate, narcissistic conman who can't even describe what a tariff is 9 years later or tell you what a trade deficit is.
What the fuck do they see when I see him ramble nonsense with a ridiculous combover and his face painted orange?
Fuck knows, I think he is the result of many more problems. As much as he is a major issue, we should focus on the fact that he made it all the way there to begin with.
I don’t see how you can say that, considering that Trump said that this is exactly what he was going to do during his re-election campaign. GP chose to ignore/dismiss Trump’s actual campaign promises, and call anyone who took Trump at his word, “fairly stupid liberals.” I mean, talk about a disingenuous argument on his part…
Trump said a million different insane things. it was overwhelming so people grabbed onto the 5-6 things they cared the most about, either because they wanted or feared them.
Trump 2.0 IS very different. Even myself, who predicted a trump driven recession and has been preparing for it for a few months, believed that Trump couldn't fuck it up in 6 months. The first term he tested the waters, this term he is full blown out of control.
100% correct. There were adults in the room that tried keeping him under control. Now he has nothing but sycophants catering to his every whim and playing backup music while Nero watched Rome burn.
He admits he is wrong, but he does not admit that he is stupid, as he should. If one calls another “fairly stupid” for insinuating something would happen, one must have an extreme level of confidence that their understanding is correct. The confidence required to predict something will happen is less than the confidence required to predict it won’t and to call those who say it will “stupid.” Therefore, he should increase the severity of his stupidity accusations, but upon himself, where he admits he’s “stupid” or “very stupid”. His lack of admitting that he’s stupid is a form of backtracking his logic.
To paraphrase: "This was a chance to get back at all those foreigners who created all our problems."
All our problems were created by lazy ass bigots and xenophobes who place the fault for the problems our own poor character and stupidity created on the heads of the nearest scapegoat.
And, quite aside from that, when you get back at foreigners, they'll get back at you. They'll behave, in other words, exactly as you do. Who indeed could have guessed that?
Who could have guessed that other people would make our tariffs reciprocal? Surely not the people suggesting reciprocal tariffs.
Who could have guessed that Trump was "truly going to implement 20% tariffs on everything?" Who could ever have guessed that a dangerous megalomaniac would ever do exactly what he said he was going to do when in power? After all, Hitler proved to be all talk.
Credit for saying the words, "I was wrong," though. It's a worthwhile act that's disappearing from the world fast.
However, an apology that indicated he had learned from the experience would have concluded something to the effect of: "I'm going to have to think twice about calling my opponents stupid when in fact they were smart and I was stupid about this. In fact *I'm dreaming, of course* maybe name calling should be eliminated from politics and all of us should advocate for our points of view while being open to changing our minds based on new information."
Yea if anything I view these types as being even dumber because tariffs were literally one of the major platforms Trump ran on. This dude was just so up Trump's ass he didn't want to believe him so he could own the libs or something equally as stupid. Trump says he'll do something, this dude says no way only the stupid libs believe that, Trump does the thing, and idiots like this are all like "OMG he did the thing he said he'd do"
Yeah, I'm not seeing the "honor" even if he would have been proven right. Let's say he didn't go with the tariffs like this guy assumed he wouldn't. How is it honorable to vote for someone who didn't do the things they run on and were just trolling, or just spouting nonsense, or whatever other excuse they would give him?
Yeah especially since he made it all about himself, and didn’t mention any apology to the people he called stupid in his original tweet who ended up being the smart ones.
You know, if someone was buying into Trump prior to his first term and then later admitted to being wrong, that's one thing. But we now have 10 years of data. How anyone can still be on board after Jan 6 is beyond me. I agree, anyone who was talking up Trump in the last 7 years is either very dumb or deplorable.
A man of honor also wouldn't be calling people "fairly stupid" for having a perfectly logical take. He'd say he disagrees and give his reasons, like a reasonable person.
I get it- but IMO the lion's share of the anger should be directed not at my fellow countrymen who were tricked, but at the cronies who did the manipulating. Believe me, die hard MAGA nuts drive me up the fuckin wall too- but as things get worse and more and more of them start to snap out of it, and admit they were wrong, for things to get any better we have to try our best not to turn them away.
To be fair tons of people on the left were also saying there's no way Trump would do this, it's all just a distraction, he'll back down before they go into effect, etc. There are a lot of people in denial in this country and it isn't just conservatives.
But yeah the opportunity to present himself as anything honorable kind of kills it for me.
He's worse but he spent his entire campaign promising to be worse. That's the difference. You don't get to claim that you had no idea he wanted to be worse -- he said it all the goddamn time. He said there'd be no need to ever vote again. He was pretty clear, even as he tried to obfuscate his (obviously true) connections to Project 2025, which also lays out exactly what he promised he'd do.
In this case, no honor is due. Imagine bragging about how you assumed Trump was just lying about tariffs, and voting for him on that basis (“don’t worry, his campaign promises are lies!”), while literally calling other people stupid…
I don’t disagree in principle but admitting being wrong about this but still supporting all the other stuff he did/has done/is doing amounts to a pretty shallow admission.
Is the bar really that low for repubs?(don't know why I'm asking, of course it is) maybe this person isn't so bad because they actually acknowledged they were wrong for a change. Didn't even take back the fairly stupid partisan left part, trump did exactly what he said was going to happen. The people who heard his words and still thought he was kidding are the partisan rubes that the rest of the world thinks they are
Very very little. Where's the "You know those people on the left who I said were stupid? Turns out they were absolutely right, it turns out they're not stupid, they're really smart and we should have listened to them. Next time let's all listen to them." Then I'd give him some credit for self reflection.
the core conceit here though is the problem I have. He sees a fear the "left" has and instead of applying objective thinking to the problem he lets his trump bias immediately just side with trump without thought. its why we have trump in the first place because actual morons like this guy.
It will mean something when they say the following:
"Trump should be impeached. His power should be curtailed at all costs and Republicans must stand up to do so. The nation is in danger. We are in danger. I am in danger."
I don't care if people know they were wrong- I want them to be afraid for their own skin. Trump comes for all of us now, whether he's going to put you on the street or throw you into an El Salvadorian prison.
If you ask him if he would vote for trump agin, he likely says yes.
Many trumpers say “the economy was built on a house of cards, just waiting to be tipped over. Trump is doing the right thing by controlling the fall so it will be built back up better” - no joke this is what they are saying on r/conservative
I'm very surprised by this. Most trump supporters are just staying incredibly quiet. Not saying the guy is good, but I always have respect for people who can admit they were wrong
Not really. He qualified his statement saying the baseline tariff is actually 10%, not 20%. So he stands behind his “liberals are fairly stupid” sentiment. It will be funny when he loses enough money.
Admitting when you’re wrong counts for everything. It allows people to move forward and shows respect for the people who disagreed. It opens the doors to solutions and problem solving.
We need more of that in world, so he deserves credit for doing it.
I just saw Fox News responded by removing the ticker from the bottom of their screen showing the crash, and spending more time on crazy opinions about how well the economy is doing.
Only if he learns to start trusting the opinions he formerly dismissed. It counts for nothing if no lessons are learned. It's a PR exercise without change.
Still, he kind of absolves himself with the Trump 2.0 schtick.
Almost like “I guess I was wrong… but not really wrong, more like, I was right in a regular world but bizzaro-trump has infiltrated and made me look like a fool.”
Yeah, I was about to say. So many folks can't admit that they were wrong even when there is clear evidence. Being able to call yourself out and grow is huge.
He needs to apologize for calling people dumb. That's what happens when you insult people and have morals. Saying you're wrong is part of taking responsibility
These people need to acknowledge that the people they called fairly stupid partisans on the left were RIGHT and the people who labeled them as such are complicit in Trump 2.0.
WE SAW THIS COMING. And were labeled stupid partisans for it. You need to own more than just your prediction being wrong, you need to own falling for the cult of personality and dragging us all into this mess.
But even his admitting he's wrong has some wrong in it. This claim that "Trump 2.0 is different." No, it's the same Trump and he's the same nationalist moronic idiotic.
And being that wrong in the first place should just vacate anyone's social position. There are so many people right about this stuff that we don't have to bend over backwards to make room for slightly different degrees of complete ass-hats.
Acknowledging he can be wrong in the future and taking steps to diminishing that from happening counts.
I don't care how many times a person can admit their wrong if they're delusionally thinking they'll never be wrong about anything else until the next time they're wrong. That's the definition of stupidity.
Trump 2.0 is not very different though. Trump hasn't changed at all. Perhaps he's even more vindictive than previously, and perhaps his dementia has gotten worse, but other than that he's exactly the same. The main difference is he's installed incompetent loyalists across the board so there's no one to keep him at bay.
Because there was no escape, but he still managed to pat himself on the back and pass the buck, too. I'd only be impressed if he copped to being a political hack and apologized for the insult.
Pretty refreshing really. Whatever you think of the guy or the situation, we should applaud this moment of ownership and humility. God knows we could use more of it these days.
Still an idiot though for failing to see in when according to his math 20% did. He probably still hasn’t learned his lesson, as morons seldom do, but yes, at least he has some integrity.
Yes, but but- why does the right defend Trump on the basis of he doesn’t mean it in the first place. What did they vote for if they didn’t believe him? It’s always mind boggling to him how they are like: he’s so great because we don’t believe anything he says.
It would be one thing if it wasn’t something that wasn’t tried ever and had only speculations on what it would do. This however is, if you’re in the big times, you had the information right before you and ignored your education which included the times these things were implemented.
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u/stereoroid 19h ago
Admitting he was wrong counts for something, though.