r/bayarea • u/Front-Resident-5554 • 1d ago
Politics & Local Crime California to Negotiate Trade With Other Countries to Bypass Trump Tariffs
https://www.newsweek.com/california-newsom-trade-trump-tariffs-20554142.2k
u/UrbanPlannerholic 1d ago
Soon California will the be the least expensive state in the country!
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u/Gbcue2 23h ago
Cool, let's start with PG&E.
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u/entity330 1d ago
Dude I didn't even door dash my mcnugget meal and still somehow spent like $20.
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u/ericsinsideout 1d ago
There's a sports pub in Clayton my family frequents (easy option when you have a picky 4 year old), and we went there last night for the first time in a few weeks and since the last time, they jacked up their prices. They legit have a burger that's barely anything special that's $19! Hardly worth it, but at least better than mcnuggets I guess
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u/Actual_System8996 21h ago
Went there once after a day hiking Diablo and couldn’t believe how expensive it was considering it was very basic, very mid bar food. More expensive than comparable but better food in SF or Oakland. Seemed like an alright place to catch a game and a couple beers though.
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u/whteverusayShmegma 22h ago
This isn’t a thing. It’s only for exports and he’s just asking other countries nicely not to tax our exports in retaliation.
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u/NecroJoe 1d ago
We've got a long way to go. Hell, a Denny's French Toast Grand Slam with cheesy eggs (the standard unit of economic measure) near San Francisco costs up to 30% more than it does in Milwaukee.
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u/holosophos 1d ago
The rent is too damn many Denny's French Toast Grand Slams with cheesy eggs!!
To be fair they probably get a good deal on their cheese in Milwaukee.
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u/Front-Resident-5554 1d ago
Article:
California Governor Gavin Newsom said he has directed his administration to "look at new opportunities to expand trade" as he tries to steer his state around President Donald Trump's sprawling import tariffs.
What To Know
In a post on X, Newsom addressed the U.S.'s global trading partners, writing "California is here and ready to talk."
It comes after a Fox News report revealed that Newsom is directing his state to pursue "strategic" relationships with countries announcing retaliatory tariffs against the U.S., urging them to exclude California-made products from those taxes.
In response, White House spokesperson Kush Desai told Fox News: "Gavin Newsom should focus on out-of-control homelessness, crime, regulations, and unaffordability in California instead of trying his hand at international dealmaking."
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u/SurfPerchSF San Francisco 1d ago
Gotta love that the spokesperson sounds just like your average reditor. But what about the homeless blah blah blah.
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u/AppropriateTouching 1d ago
Its because Russian bots on reddit regurgitate fox propaganda talking points.
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u/nopointers 1d ago
Close. White House spokescritters and Fox News regurgitate Russian bots.
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u/AppropriateTouching 1d ago
If you're right you're right. Maybe I should say correct...
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u/Meleagros 1d ago
They have the audacity to point out unaffordability when the tariffs are exactly part of what is going to make things more unaffordable lol
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u/ElJamoquio 9h ago
They blamed Biden for inflation after pumping a trillion dollars into the monetary supply.
Truth doesn't matter.
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u/wetterfish 1d ago
Unironically, crime, education, homelessness, and housing availability are all greatly affected by income, so by finding ways to make costs lower, Newsom is actually addressing those issues.
It’s not even fair to call those people morons, because they know exactly what they’re saying and doing. They’re just absolutely shit people.
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u/FlingFlamBlam 1d ago
"Gavin Newsom should focus on out-of-control homelessness, crime, regulations, and unaffordability in California"
That is... literally what he's doing?
Tariffs have a direct correlation with increased homelessness (from cost of living increasing due to citizens paying for those tariffs), crime (also from cost of living increase also from citizens paying for the tariffs), regulations (tariffs are a regulation), and affordability (tariffs make everything more expensive).
Desai is basically congratulating Newsom on doing the things he's asking him to do.
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u/Candid-Sky-3709 1d ago
turns out Newsom focuses on unaffordability in California caused by Trump as Fox News suggests
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u/the_answer_is_RUSH 1d ago
Good. We need to write our senators, congressmen, etc.
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u/cadium 1d ago
We seriously should try to get bought by Denmark and split to join the EU.
Universal healthcare would be nice.
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u/The_Demolition_Man 1d ago edited 1d ago
Even now I still love the US and wish things could be changed for the better. But we are under no obligation to follow this death cult's suicidal orders.
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u/casino_r0yale 13h ago
Legally, states cannot enter trade agreements with other countries without the consent of Congress. That said, nobody seems to care about following laws right now so YOLO
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u/jana-meares 1d ago
This is what I am talking about. Agreements with states like Oregon and Washington for commerce and trades. Healthcare for the tri state area, universal?
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u/DoubleT_inTheMorning 22h ago
Marketplace adjust west coast exports and see how those other states feel when they realize how much shit we send them 😂
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u/jana-meares 19h ago
In the way of money for their needs. If we withheld CA economic money, we could do alright. Trade between ourselves, Vermont and Other too. Make pacts. Keep them.
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u/krakenheimen 16h ago
Newsom trotted this out during the pandemic and it was just fluff. We can be pissed at Trump and still be real about Gavin being a salesman.
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u/zuckjeet 6h ago
He's obligated to posture for Newsom 2028. What do you expect him to do, secede from the union?
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u/Journeyoflightandluv 18h ago
Good Idea!! You gave me a touch of hope. Thank you. ✊🏻☮️
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u/jana-meares 17h ago
We can also have a multi-state resilience fund like a treasury and a Constitutional Rights defense fund for a standing legal defense fund. Multi state pacts being the key.
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u/CurrentlyForking 1d ago
Then we can reverse tarrif the red states!
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u/FlingFlamBlam 23h ago
That would be an interesting strategy. Negotiate a reduction in blue state reciprocal tariffs by suggesting they can double-up on red state tariffs to compensate. Red states can't employ the same strategy because they're the ones responsible for these tariffs happening in the first place.
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u/Easy_Passenger_6901 1d ago
I fucking knew this would happen, California as a state is always Ahead of the curve.
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u/one_pound_of_flesh 1d ago
The Trump bots are out in full force. Republicans are scared.
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u/aeolus811tw 1d ago
Not sure how would this bypass tariff as it is charged at POE but we need to remove ourselves from this administration
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u/xzkandykane 1d ago
Its for exports into other countries, ex when farmers sell their agricultural products to say - china, then their products are still competitive in price instead of costing 34% than products from europe or within china.
Its not for products from other countries into the US. We're still fked at that point.
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u/ihaveajob79 1d ago
That’s true, but I wonder what’s the incentive for anyone. I guess to make sure their retaliation is targeted to swing/red districts, it’s the only angle I see.
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u/IHateLayovers 23h ago
I guess to make sure their retaliation is targeted to swing/red districts
As it should be. Things we can also do at the state level.
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u/infinit9 1d ago
Normally, I would say that it is unconstitutional for states to negotiate import duties for foreign countries. But since the current administration already triggered several constitutional crisis, I guess, let's go for it?
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u/tango797 1d ago
That would be funny as fuck if Nintendo only offered pre-orders for the Switch 2 in California as a direct result of this.
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u/Xezshibole 1d ago
There are constitutional methods. They're known as Memorandum of Understanding. MoUs. Non binding agreements that typically handle services, licensing, regulations.
Not so much goods (food, steel, semiconductors,) which is in the federal realm and are all subject to tariffs.
State regulations, licenses, university admissions, can all be changed to coincidentally accept more of the other country.
The state for example could direct its famed UC to accept more foreign students of a certain country. Wouldn't be "fair" to an aspiring CA student, certainly, but between that and getting slapped with retaliatory tariffs, making his/her financial situation and entire life harder, that's a pretty good deal.
State could change its license standards, or more likely just outright recognize another country's standards as equivalent to its own.
Say, recognizing that Danish engineering license is equivalent and thereby valid in California. Allows Danish engineering firms the opportunity to bid for work in California without as pressing a need to acquire Californian licenses.
Recognizing French businesses as "Californian" in contract bids, providing preferential treatment to their businesses over out of state options say from, Florida.
Considering the state has a lot of projects with substantial funding behind them, this may actually be enough leverage to redirect this retaliatory tariff elsewhere and away from CA.
These are all state regulations, state contract bidding, state licensing, etc. All state decisionmaking that can be changed to coincidentally provide business opportunities.
This is of course entirely voluntary and coincidental. MoUs do not have a legal framework to enforce the terms on the other. Both parties coincidentally and voluntarily choose to change their standards that just so happen to fit the other's, choose to mark certain licenses as equivalent to their own, choose to target other areas of the US instead of CA for retaliatory tariffs.
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u/MagicPistol 1d ago
White House spokesperson Kush Desai told Fox News: "Gavin Newsom should focus on out-of-control homelessness, crime, regulations, and unaffordability in California instead of trying his hand at international dealmaking."
And how about you focus on not fucking up the whole country and economy.
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u/txiao007 1d ago
What about negotiate with PG&E first?
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u/Actual_System8996 21h ago
These tariffs are gonna affect our economy on a much bigger scale than pg&e if they remain. Also, why not both?
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u/RefrigeratorWrong390 1d ago
It’s time for California to put secession on the ballot again. Pacific Rim Alliance, California, Washington, Oregon, Hawaii. Maybe we can join Canada as a province l.
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u/bionicfeetgrl 1d ago
Yeah that’s not gonna happen. I ride hard for Ca and always will. I love my state. But we can’t secede, for a million reasons, least of which we need 2/3 congressional approval.
We also would be an island unto ourselves. Ca military isn’t enough to fight against the rest of the nation or our enemies.
We wouldn’t have a currency.
Nations would have to decide to trade with us or the rest of the nation.
I want Ca to thrive always, every day. I want Ca to explode with success in the face of Trump’s harebrained ideas. But we’re not leaving.
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u/jim_uses_CAPS 1d ago
What if we promised to take in all the Ls, Gs, Bs, and especially Ts? We'll let them keep Elon.
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u/RefrigeratorWrong390 1d ago
There’s plenty of time for things to get way worse and the political will to be there
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u/HappilyDisengaged 1d ago
We wouldn’t have to fight should we do a referendum. Our currency could be the be the dollar, like other countries in the Americas. We should still put it up for a vote no matter the outcome
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u/bionicfeetgrl 1d ago
We have the pacific on one side and the entire nation we just left on the other. We would be extremely vulnerable.
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u/HappilyDisengaged 1d ago
Vulnerable to what? Invasion? This isn’t the 19th century. It shouldn’t be a violent action on California’s part, purely symbolic and peaceful. A call for liberty should be made as a symbol of resistance. Let the republicans say they “want” California to stay, for all the trash they speak about it
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u/Hyndis 1d ago
Water is the big one.
Southern California relies on the Colorado river. If the state border becomes a national border, and its a hostile national border, the entire southern half of the state might no longer have access to water anymore.
Electricity is another big issue. The state imports electricity often times, and if it can't import electricity when the state's power plants are unable to produce sufficient electricity the lights won't stay on.
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u/SharkSymphony Alameda 23h ago
It would likely be met with an immediate and violent response from the Union. No Fort Sumter standoff, no waiting for McClellan to train up his troops. I would expect air strikes in the Bay Area within days.
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u/73810 1d ago
States aren't allowed to secede unilaterally.
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u/HappilyDisengaged 1d ago
I get that. I’m saying as a statement, allow the vote.
It’s a start. We can look across the pond to similar movements in Catalonia and Scotland
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u/wikedsmaht 1d ago
2/3 of the country (and their elected representatives) fucking haaaaaateee us and dance in the streets when we suffer natural disasters. I sincerely believe reaching a 2/3 majority would be no obstacle. Yes they’d absolutely suffer the economic consequences, but they seem to like that sort of BDSM if it means owning the libs
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u/TripleBanEvasion 1d ago
Why are you parroting common Russian and CCP talking points? Fragmentation of the US is what they want.
Fix the rot and remain whole
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u/Yourewrongtoo 22h ago
How do you break people of being brainwashed? You can want people to wake up, the constitution to have changes made to prevent this but can we realistically do this? Can you have a state like California when the Republican Party seeks to disproportionately defund our priorities and attack us at every turn?
I get that you think this is what our enemies want but let’s set aside the outside world, how does a blue state function in a system this dysfunctional? Send Trump to The Hague? Have a civil war? The system needs to have fundamental alterations to get back to the rule of law and 1/4 of the country believes the democrats have a secret weather machine.
I don’t think the democrats regaining power temporarily can fix the issues in the US, one side clearly is fascist and is willing to bow to a king.
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u/zuckjeet 6h ago
I sometimes wonder if I'm talking to literal Kremlobots. One of these was advocating for the destruction of the entire American car industry and just letting in cheap Chinese made EVs with no trade protection whatsoever. Either it's Reddit brainrot or Russian/Chinese agitprop.
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u/RefrigeratorWrong390 1d ago
Chance to fix was last November. When you have loss of due process and freedom of speech and rule of law you aren’t in a business as usual situation. I love America but what it happening right now ain’t it friend
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u/rod_jammer 23h ago
Who controls the ports in places like Long Beach and Oakland where the tariffs are collected? Can't the State of California just kick the Feds out and not collect the tariffs on stuff coming in?
You say "That's illegal", but a lot of stuff has been illegal recently, with zero consequences.
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u/itskelena 1d ago edited 1d ago
You should all know that there are protests tomorrow. Check r/50501 to find a protest near you.
Here’s a direct link because that sub’s navigation is not very user friendly: https://events.pol-rev.com/
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u/MD_Yoro 1d ago
How is this possible as a state of USA.
I thought legally, no state can enter trade negotiations with any foreign country. Only the federal government has that authority.
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u/kokopelleee 1d ago
By law, it is not possible.
But that's irrelevant given that the current administration has made it clear that they are not required to follow the law.
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u/Xezshibole 1d ago edited 1d ago
There are constitutional methods. They're known as Memorandum of Understanding. MoUs.
State regulations, licenses, university admissions, can all be changed to coincidentally accept more of the other country.
The state for example could direct its famed UC to accept more foreign students of a certain country. Wouldn't be "fair" to an aspiring CA student, certainly, but between that and getting slapped with retaliatory tariffs, making his/her financial situation and entire life harder, that's a pretty good deal.
State could change its license standards, or more likely just outright recognize another country's standards as equivalent to its own.
Say, recognizing that Danish engineering license is equivalent and thereby valid in California. Allows Danish engineering firms the opportunity to bid for work in California without as pressing a need to acquire Californian licenses.
Recognizing French businesses as "Californian" in contract bids, providing preferential treatment to their businesses over out of state options say from, Florida.
Considering the state has a lot of projects with substantial funding behind them, this may actually be enough leverage to redirect this retaliatory tariff elsewhere and away from CA.
These are all state regulations, state contract bidding, state licensing, etc. All state decisionmaking that can be changed to coincidentally provide business opportunities.
This is of course entirely voluntary and coincidental. MoUs do not have a legal framework to enforce the terms on the other. Both parties coincidentally and voluntarily choose to change their standards that just so happen to fit the other's, choose to mark certain licenses as equivalent to their own, choose to target other areas of the US instead of CA for retaliatory tariffs.
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u/runsongas 23h ago
and then federal money gets cut from CA, what's the plan then? secede and lose the 2nd American Civil War?
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u/MD_Yoro 22h ago
California is a net contributor to the federal tax revenue.
We put out more money than we receive.
We can 100% just run on state and local taxes assuming we can stop paying federal taxes.
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u/FlingFlamBlam 23h ago
It's legal (or, to be more precise: legality is not relevant) because the USA can't tell other countries what to do. If those other countries want to have friendly relations with only specific parts of the USA, they're free to do that. CA leaders can't sign deals on behalf of the entire USA. But the leaders of countries can unilaterally decide to conduct their affairs in a way that benefits blue states if that's what they wish to do.
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u/Candid-Sky-3709 1d ago
LOL - republicans try to kill federal government to push their abhorrent ideas starting with most red states - now backfiring if states can legitimately ignore federal orders to be assholes to their citizens.
Maybe soon FEMA becomes a cooperation between California, Canada and Mexico with MAGA red states left to die by Trump.
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u/FlingFlamBlam 23h ago
It wouldn't be called FEMA though. It would be IEMA (international emergency management agency).
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u/Never_Comfortable 1d ago
The trumper tears in here have finally given me something to smile about again after these last couple of days. Their fear is delicious.
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u/CAmiller11 1d ago
This is the start of the Republic of California. Proving to the world the state can stand alone and the rest of the country needs CA more than CA needs them. Soon states are going to have tariffs between states.
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u/IHateLayovers 23h ago
Need to cut off Big Tech revenue to Washington DC, both corporate and from employees.
I don't know why more people aren't on board with acceleration-ism. Endorse Trump's proposal to cut the federal income tax. I would rather all that money stay here in the Bay Area and California. Big win for California.
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u/PvesCjhgjNjWsO4vwOOS 18h ago
I don't know why more people aren't on board with acceleration-ism.
Because I hope my several times great grandfather will remain the last casualty my family sees from an American civil war. Some of us are sorely disappointed at how many people seem to have missed the lessons on how horrific the "brothers' war" was.
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u/IHateLayovers 17h ago
I'm a military officer. Former active duty current Natty Guard.
It is what it is. You're not the one doing the dying this time, it's going to be me.
And I still say fuck it, California Tech dollars for Californians. As someone who also pays California Tech tax dollars (43% effective tax rate now).
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u/spokeca 16h ago
How does this possibly work? Im no constitutional scholar... But as i understand.. International trade is solely under the Federal gobment.
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u/Bubbly-Two-3449 East bay 23h ago
I don't think Newsom can do anything about the tariffs.
He could *offset* the tariffs somewhat by lowering income taxes on the most vulnerable residents, and encouraging cities to lower their sales taxes and fees. Because these tariffs will primarily hurt those who can't simply reduce consumption because they consume essentials like food and clothing.
I don't think he'll do this unfortunately. But he should.
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u/LS400_1UZ-FE 18h ago
And suddenly everyone forgets PG&E and Gavin Newsom is a hero again...🤣
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u/theholyraptor 16h ago
It's almost like people can be critical of things that deserve it but supportive of things that deserve it. Almost like politicians are flawed humans just like the electorate.
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u/Bear650 1d ago
Can California negotiate gas prices first?
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u/Hyndis 1d ago
Thats an entirely self-inflicted problem.
The state mandates a unique gasoline blend not made in any other state, so shortages cannot be made up for by importing gasoline.
If the state were to repeal the legal requirement for a unique gasoline blend it could import fuel from other states starting tomorrow.
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u/Gamestonkape 1d ago
If he pulls this off, he’s the next President.
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u/IwuvNikoNiko 18h ago
I will never vote for this asshat. Fuck him, Fuck PG&E, and Fuck the CPUC.
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u/Gamestonkape 17h ago
Ha ha. I agree, I can’t stand the PG&E cartel and all the scumbags who have enabled them. My energy bill is like a car payment.
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u/OceanBlueforYou 1d ago
Can we legally circumvent the federal government tariffs? Could the federal government add a tariff of sorts when trading with other states?
The answer to those two questions may be irrelevant if the federal government eliminates all federal funding (a partial return on the dollars we send to the federal government) to California.
Now, remember the constant argument of states' rights and local control the Conservatives are always whining about.
What a mess
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